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#269122 - 07/05/06 09:21 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: shoshinkan]
Joe7987 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 317
Loc: Orlando, FL
I definitely do not deny the fact that this weapon is worth the price... it's just that it's a bit expensive for my current financial state. However, I just got a job today... and my birthday is this sunday (my family tends to give me money on my birthday) so I think I'll start saving up and maybe get the sai in a week or two. I'll probably get the black ones because they're the cheapest (even though the stainless steel is dead sexy )

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#269123 - 07/05/06 11:35 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Hello Joe:

There are people who hand make assorted weapons, Sai among them. The tine will be the place a sai will break unless it is cast in a single piece of iron, steel, etc.

Do a lot of internet pricing... worst that happens it takes you a bit longer to get a better pair. Best that happens, good pair, great price. If you know anyone in Japan, Okinawa them buying you a "gift" might be the best solution. They offer you your ~gift~ and you thank them with an envelope of thanks...

Luck,
Jeff

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#269124 - 07/06/06 03:28 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Ronin1966]
Joe7987 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/05
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Loc: Orlando, FL
I could only wish that I knew somebody in Okinawa. Sadly, I do not. I went to my local martial arts supply store today because I knew they sold Shureido Sai... and the owners are very nice and very helpful. I asked if I could hold I pair.... and I will just say that I was thoroughly impressed. The weight of these was much heavier than my other sai (the ones that broke)... mine, in comparison, felt very cheap. I didnt know there would really be that big of a difference. I will definitely begin saving up for these.

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#269125 - 07/06/06 03:32 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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Registered: 07/31/04
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I suspect that if you deal with them directly (cut out the middleman) that they will be a bit cheaper. You can see their sai online and contact them directly for prices.

http://www.shureidousa.com/

(Aren't the internet and debit cards great?! )

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#269126 - 07/06/06 03:57 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: harlan]
Joe7987 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/05
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You know, I thought the same... but I called them yesterday and they were 155... but 15 dollars for shipping. My local store will give me them for 170 which is the exact same price so I figure I'll just buy them locally, same price and I won't have to wait for it.

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#269127 - 08/08/06 06:42 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
gregc618 Offline
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Registered: 02/22/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Illinois, USA
You want them longer so that you're able to apply elbow strike with the tip of the blade. Having it a bit longer make it easier to do and keep everything in alignment when u strike...
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#269128 - 09/09/06 05:29 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: gregc618]
RyokoYaksa Offline
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Registered: 09/09/06
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Out of curiosity, is it to your disadvantage to use sai that are longer than your measured size? I'm fitted to use 19 1/2 inch sai but just recently received a 21" pair as a hand-me-down.

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#269129 - 09/10/06 12:04 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: RyokoYaksa]
gregc618 Offline
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Registered: 02/22/06
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Loc: Illinois, USA
From what I know there are incident where sai can be too long for a particular person. Too long and they can become cumbersome to use when trying to execute techniques. There is also the notion that they can also be measured too short and cause hindrance of some techniques being performed in a fluid/smooth fashion as well.

I have 2 sets that are 21.5 inches long and I wouldn't mind if they were say 22.5 inches instead. However I'm not willing to pay $200.00 or more to get one more inch of metal with a custom set, and maybe a bit better balance point. If yours are about one inch past on either end of you sai then you have a good fit imo. At least all the fitting instructions seem to say that is a wrap.

FYI: I see lots of ppl complain about the grips gettin loose, and maybe needing to be replace because of sweat.

I think I found the answer: Replacement Golf Club Grips.

Just not sure if they should be adult sized or junior club replacements. A strip of electrical tape cut in half on the horizontal to make two thinner strips, and its back in business with brand new gripping surfaces on your sai.

Take Care


Edited by gregc618 (09/10/06 12:18 PM)
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#269130 - 11/17/06 12:19 AM Re: Quality Sai [Re: gregc618]
IRKguy Offline
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Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 56
Okay, so maybe this horse is dead enough for some people, but I'm kind of facing the same question these days. I cannot order from Shureido USA for reasons I do not understand. (I do know if I show up with a pair with the purple Shureido USA wrap on it, I will get stomped. I guess I do understand the reason after all.) However, I'm not sure Carbone's sai are right for me because even his carbon steel sai are surprisingly corrosion-resistant, and what I am looking for is a pair of iron sai, for the weight and the texture of the metal once a healthy oxide layer is on the outside of the metal. The difference between iron and stainless steel or chrome in terms of grip is considerable.

My understanding is that the Shureido natural sai are iron, though I could be wrong on this, and I am considering buying direct and having them shipped from the island. Looking at conversion rates, it seems that the guy on ebay who will do it for you is getting about a 50 buck commission, plus 40 bucks shipping. I can't imagine the shipping would be that much different from the factory. Has anyone tried this route? Does anyone know what metal those natural sai are made of? Furthermore, does anyone know of anyone making iron sai anymore?

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#269131 - 11/17/06 11:54 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: IRKguy]
Borrek Offline
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Registered: 01/05/06
Posts: 501
Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
I own the shureido natural Sai. They are really really nice and have black grips, but I feel that the ones with purple grips are a bit better balanced. The purple grip shureido just feel "smoother" when I flip them out and back. Honestly though the natural ones are still awesome. Its like the difference between a BMW 3-series or 5-series.

The natural are made of iron and come with a sort of lacquer like coating on them to prevent oxidation, and after just a few months of use, almost all of the coating is gone. I'm starting to get that grayish patina oxide coating. These things are serisouly heavy compared to any chrome toys that I've used. Its a very satisfying heft.

The major difference between the purple grip and black grip natural sai from shureido is the way that the tines are connected to the main section. With the purple grip sai, it is welded and then ground to be very flat. The sai seems like it comes from one solid piece. With the natural sai, both tines are part of one piece with a hole in the center that the main part is slid through. The tines are then welded near the bottom side and no grinding is done. The result is a larger junction, right where your thumb happens to reside when you strike. Personally I like it because it is unique among other sai I have seen. It doesn't hamper use that I've noticed at all

Here are some closeups that may explain the construction a bit better. Also I threw one in of the patina that is growing so you can see it is iron. (sorry for the blurry focus!)

Tine 1

Tine 2

Patina

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