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#269112 - 07/04/06 01:26 AM Quality Sai
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So a friend of mine bought me a pair of sai (sais?) for an early birthday present and I have been using them nonstop since he got them for me. I went to use them again tonight and dropped one. The tine actually broke off. I knew that these were a cheap set, but I didnt expect the metal to break.

Long story short, I'm looking for a new pair. I'd like a pair that isnt going to break on me. That's pretty much the only requirement. I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on them...... so if anyone could give me some tips on how to buy decent quality sai, or could link me to a site that sells sai that won't break I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

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#269113 - 07/04/06 03:41 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
harlan Offline
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A pair of quality sai will last forever...so if you think of it they are cheaper than constantly buying garbage sai.

I have been happy with my sai from Shureido. The pair I got cost me $135 (delivery included), but if your school is 'on their list', you will get a 10% discount.

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#269114 - 07/04/06 04:48 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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It's unusual for steel to break like this even when dropped so I'm assuming that these were aluminium?

Dont buy aluminium. Its brittle and will break when dropped.

Buy decent steel sai from a reputable MA supplier and be prepared to pay a good price for them. Quality always costs a bit more but you get what you pay for in the long run.

Perhaps you should be practicing on a grappling mat? We get our students to stand on one of the grappling mats when learning nunchaku and sai so that if they drop them there is less noise and less chance of breaking the weapon.

Another thing our head instructor suggests is to stand beside the bed and practice over that when doing spins and other things with them. They don't fall as far and if you tuck your feet under the side of the bed then you dont hit your feet when you drop them either!
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#269115 - 07/04/06 06:33 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Reiki]
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Thanks for the information guys. I'm not quite sure what material these sai were made of.. I just know that I was very surprised when the tine broke off after dropping the sai. I will look into finding some steel sai this time.

I would practice on a grappling mat if I had one, but sadly I do not. I actually did the bed idea with my other sai last night after having the first one break. I think I will practice outside in the grass from now on though. That way I have more room... and the grass / dirt will be much softer than the carpet / concrete underneath it. Once again, thanks for all of your help.

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#269116 - 07/04/06 07:59 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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dont muck about mate, get shureido sai - better/custom are avalaible but you are entering silly money.

Make sure the sai when held in reverse grip extends half inch past your elbow - dont cheat with shorter ones!!!!!!

I think mine are called 'natural' and they are excellent. The stainless ones cost silly money (but are very nice).
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#269117 - 07/04/06 08:41 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: shoshinkan]
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Just curious, why do you want them to be past your elbow? Wouldnt you want them a little shorter than your elbow so that you could conceal them better when holding them in reverse grip?

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#269118 - 07/04/06 09:04 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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I see the sai as specifically a weapon of defense against the Bo and Sword, used to block and then disarm/entrap.

With that in mind as a 'forearm' loaded weapon you need to cover your complete forearm, otherwise you risk getting caught by the attacking weapon.

It also gives you a reverse thrust if needed, shorter than your forearm you would simply elbow without the sai point.

Im sure there are many on here with other uses but these form my basic reasoning.

Re concealment I dont think that tucking them up your sleeves is particulary practical, possible yes. With that in mind Im fairly happy that the sai would have been holstered in a belt if carrying them for a specific job, on that note I beleive the okinawan law enforcement would have used them, along with Bo.

Just my minds ramblings, hope it helps.
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#269119 - 07/04/06 09:49 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: shoshinkan]
Joe7987 Offline
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Yea, your logic is definitely intact. Thank you very much.

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#269120 - 07/05/06 04:15 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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Just got off the phone with Shureido... Their cheapest sai is the black sai.... $170 shipped. Ouch... I'm going to check ebay and see if I can get decent sai secondhand, if not I guess I'm going to have to suck it up and pay the 170

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#269121 - 07/05/06 08:03 PM Re: Quality Sai [Re: Joe7987]
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If you can get second hand Shureido Sai (unlikely) then go for it, make sure to check the length!

That kind of money is very fair IMO for these weapons. They will last you many, many years and are well balanced weapons (others tend not to be unless custom made - well $$$$)
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