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#268868 - 10/07/06 10:21 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: Mr_Heretik]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 1530
Loc: Australia, QLD, GC
yeah well its a separate part of training its only a couple hours a week too.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke, but I'd just kick it in the head"

#268869 - 10/08/06 02:35 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
gregc618 Offline

Registered: 02/22/06
Posts: 193
Loc: Illinois, USA
A Gymnaist???... I thought you said you practiced martial arts??.. What all this "more to" stuff?.. Ohhhh you mean breaking!!.. That aerial stuff is pretty, but taking the time to do all that might get u hurt depending on who you run into one day. I see very few of the aerial XMA ppl that throw a solid/powerful kick after that 540 or whatever. They mostly are hoping to land and be standing up from what I can see.

I kinda think the same thing of those that call themselves doin a weapons demo, and you never see one legitamite technique from them the whole time at it relates to the use of said weapon.
There can be only one, and its neither of us!

#268870 - 10/08/06 04:32 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: gregc618]
Chatan1979 Offline

Registered: 03/21/05
Posts: 338
Loc: Mahomet , Illinois
Thats because they arent using them as weapons they are using them as props in a dance
There is always someone who knows more, and noone who knows it all....

#268871 - 10/09/06 01:45 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: Chatan1979]
crablord Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
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Uhhh.. im not going to do a 540 jumpkick in a real fight am I?? I do the regular shotokan, katas, sparring and other crap. Then on other days I do this, learning weapons, conditioning and more acrobatic moves. Think of it as an upgrade
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke, but I'd just kick it in the head"

#268872 - 10/12/06 06:07 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
aikiuke Offline

Registered: 09/16/06
Posts: 144
Loc: Illinois
"super size me!"

#268873 - 10/13/06 12:44 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
swseibukan Offline

Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 196
Loc: Lakewood, Colorado
Think of it as Gymkata. Did anybody else see that suck a$$ 80's flick.

No it's not an upgrade it's filler for when the run out of or lack real content to teach and heavy on the other crap.
Pat O'Brien
Southwest Seibukan

Patience my ass Iím going to kill something

#268874 - 10/13/06 01:15 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: swseibukan]
5353 Offline

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 109
Loc: yongstown
th ebest thing to use as a weapon is your brain. always be aware of your surroundings. be prepared, look around, avoid high risk places alone, and when all else fails run to safety like you stole something
" not all who wonder are lost "

#268875 - 10/13/06 02:16 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
soulfiremage Offline

Registered: 09/11/06
Posts: 37
I've read this entire thread and found it fun. A lot of fun to read. Congrats to the witty folks here :-).

Crablord, the real point about the pen and improvised weapons is something called imagination combined with knowledge. You may know how to strike with a stick, blade or in various ways with your hand. You may know how to go for various pressure points and hold etc. Being able to turn that knowledge into an effective use of any available object as a means of self defense could save a persons life. Your own or someone elses.

The pen is simply an example. In the real world, many folks might prefer a knife, or a gun. . In the real world you might be grappling with a guy who's got a craft knife, a switchblade or something else. If you can turn what you have on you and around you to your advantage, you can shorten the fight and improve your chances of getting your ass out of there. Ultimately isn't that the ultimate original goal of most martial arts? Get your ass out alive whatever? I mean original goal, today of course you have competitions etc.

I'm nothing like as trained as the vast majority of this board, but I can still work out how to use various random items as some sort of defence or distraction. It's just a way of thinking. Now if you add that to real training and expertise, this way of thinking could be deadly-to your attacker. That's all it is. Can you be flexible enough mentally to deal with any survivable aggressive encounter? Or must you only use your highly trained hands and feet alone every time or dojo approved weapons. Ask your instructor what he thinks of improvising weapons at need. If he knows his stuff, he will say much the same as people here.

XMA looks great, I wouldn't want a 540 in the face and I suspect most experts at XMA would say that it's not meant to be practical self defense. It's fun, looks cool and a great way to have fitness. It's goal isn't making you into a badass fighter. A badass fighter is mentally flexible and fast, able to adapt quickly to changing circumstances and widely experienced in their training-in my naive opinion.

#268876 - 10/23/06 10:47 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: soulfiremage]
Chen Zen Offline
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Posts: 7043
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I just read the first post. In my area its legal to carry a steel baton. If I didnt have a gun this would easily be my weapon of choice.
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
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