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#268848 - 10/05/06 07:30 AM Re: Weapon you can carry for self-defence that's l [Re: paco]
crablord Offline
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not this thread!!! NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN! *runs off screaming
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#268849 - 10/05/06 04:11 PM Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
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not this thread!!! NOT THIS THREAD AGAIN! *runs off screaming





<Reiki laughs evilly>

just when you thought it was safe to come out the pen thread surfaces yet again...!

Crabby - Have you had a discussion with your instructor yet about doing some weapons training?

Getting back to the topic, maybe we should ask the question of how to make anything and everything into a weapon if necessary.



Looking forward to your constructive ideas folks!
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#268850 - 10/05/06 06:50 PM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: Reiki]
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I made a blow gun out of some scotch tape, a paper clip [i also used some staples a couple of times] and some paper, once when i was bored. worked pretty well, but not deadly.

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#268851 - 10/05/06 07:11 PM Re: Weapon you can carry for self-defence that's l [Re: paco]
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Who said anything about "swallowing" anything? I've had my level one contamination and know exactly how i react to being sprayed, have you? I've been in a situation where i received a direct shot of spray and still managed to take down the assailant, this wasn't in training either. I have very little reaction to pepper spray until decom. Once water is introduced is when i get the burning sensation, sinus problems and difficult vision. I know from experience, do you?

As i said, spray me and i'm taking your head off.
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#268852 - 10/06/06 01:49 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: Reiki]
crablord Offline
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Crabby - Have you had a discussion with your instructor yet about doing some weapons training?


Yeah well i just got into black patch (dont know if you have that) but im starting general weapons training. Bo staff, sais, nunchucks, sticks, bokken?? (wood sword), tonfas and like mini grim reaper schythe things. Still no improvised weapons yet. (which mind you im not particularly interested in ) so yeah.
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#268853 - 10/06/06 03:32 AM Re: Weapon you can carry for self-defence that's l [Re: laf7773]
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hi laf,
i put the word swallow in quotation marks because i meant with it that u get sprayed, i didn't mean it literally. fortunately i never had to make the experience of getting sprayed. all the reports i saw on that subject were displaying contaminated people in agonizing pain so how come that it didn't work on u???

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#268854 - 10/06/06 06:52 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
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Still no improvised weapons yet. (which mind you im not particularly interested in )




So why were you on this thread, again? (stir, stir)

My umbrella is fairly sturdy and folds to about a foot long. It would probably be quite good for striking and adding to a lock. As a last resort, of course. I don't want to have to replace another umbrella.

What do you normally carry with you as is? Generally, I have my wallet, keys, phone, a handkerchief and possibly some gloves, headphones, sunglasses (with soft case) and a small usb drive which weighs practically nothing. A couple of those might be good for striking, but I'm at a loss for most of it. Mind you, my weapons training is limited to staff and a minimal quantity of short stick. Any ideas?

Oh, and I occasionally carry a pen.
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#268855 - 10/06/06 07:26 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: ThomsonsPier]
crablord Offline
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Yeah those 512 mb usb drives are really formidable weapons This thread makes me want to put my head in a wood chipper.
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#268856 - 10/06/06 07:42 AM Re: Everything is a weapon [Re: crablord]
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It's a gigabyte drive, I'll have you know.

A wood chipper is too big to carry as a weapon.

There was a thread a while ago regarding the origins of weapons in eastern martial arts (walking stick to staff, rice flail for nunchaku and so forth) which demonstrated the essential idea, I think.

A general knowledge of weapons across the board will familiarise you with objects of all shapes and sizes, thus enabling you to use similar objects as weapons. An umbrella has a similar size and weight distribution to a short stick. A pen is almost identical to the Shaolin iron pen or hand dart, hence its utility. Techniques and methods for using these objects have already been conceived and refined.
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#268857 - 10/06/06 10:33 AM Re: Weapon you can carry for self-defence that's l [Re: paco]
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Quote:

all the reports i saw on that subject were displaying contaminated people in agonizing pain so how come that it didn't work on u???




Because it doesn't have the same effect on everyone, some people aren't affected by it at all while others hit the floor and cry like a baby. For me i only have a little trouble keeping both eyes completely open but still very capable of seeing what is going on and i am still capable of performing my duties. At best the longer you go without decom the more it works on your respiratory system. Thinking everyone is going down or can't see enough to fight just because they got sprayed puts YOU at a disadvantage. My discomfort comes after decom. Thatís when the pain, irritation, sinus trouble and major difficulty keeping my eyes open happens. Even then itís not enough to stop me in my tracks. For me it felt like a real bad sunburn and I had more trouble keeping my eyes open, this lasted for about 45min before it was over. At least till I tried to wash my face again 5 hours later and it started all over again.


Here are some clips of OC certifications very similar to the one we use. The person is sprayed then has to run a course to show they can still defend and attack an assailant in various situations in addition to being able to retain their weapon. As you can see from these clips some deal with the effects of OC much better than others. I've seen guys take shots of spray from at least 4 different people and still take 4 officers to take them down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-OhfooAM4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tDecMIr76A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7pGlDDuBM

Maybe you should check out a few more reports before commenting on something you know little or nothing about.
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