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#268503 - 10/14/06 03:08 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: Chen Zen]
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Randy peaked before his 40's even though he continued to fight until he was 42. He didn't do as well.

Chuck Liddell is 36. He is perhaps at his peak.

Frank Shamrock is probably around 30 or 31 now. He doesn't really fight any more though.

KEN Shamrock is 41 or 42. He was at his peak when he was 29. He hasn't done as well since then.

So I'm not picking on 40 year old guys. Honestly though, you're not really on the uphill track to prowess when you've reached that age.


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#268504 - 10/14/06 09:40 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: JKogas]
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I knew I was going to say the name of the wrong damned shamrock. As for Randy in particular, How old was he when he got the heavyweight belt from liddell? When he defended it successfully from Tito? He had to be 39 or 40 because it wasnt long after that he lost to liddell and retired. Even with him not doing "as good" he is still a considerable force to reckon with. Although I do agree that most people arent going up from there.
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#268505 - 10/15/06 11:48 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: Chen Zen]
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Randy never got the Heavyweight belt from Liddell, he got it from Smith the first time and Rizzo the second time. He fought Liddell for the Interim LHW title at UFC 43 with the expectation that Liddell would win and Tito would be forced to defend the LHW title against Liddell. Randy was 40 at the time. He beat Tito, went 1-1 with Belfort and then lost the Rematch to Liddell.

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#268506 - 10/16/06 01:00 AM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: migo]
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Well regardless my argument was that he was still effective at forty. And so he was.
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#268507 - 10/16/06 01:39 AM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: Chen Zen]
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He's the exception. Nobody else has been able to reach that level at that age.

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#268508 - 10/16/06 11:19 AM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: migo]
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Ah, but just because no one else has doesnt mean that no one else will.
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#268509 - 10/16/06 08:30 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: Chen Zen]
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You're getting off track here. The point was that Tank is getting old and that will affect his performance.

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#268510 - 10/16/06 11:48 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: migo]
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I dont think its primarily getting old. I think its getting old and toting that enormous gut and weight around. It would tire out anyone.
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#268511 - 10/18/06 04:50 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: Chen Zen]
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Nobody claimed he had good cardio, neither do Vitor Belfort or Evangelista Santos.

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#268512 - 10/18/06 04:53 PM Re: Tank Abbot [Re: migo]
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Quote:

He's the exception. Nobody else has been able to reach that level at that age.




Eh? Didn't Mark Coleman win a big tourney when he was 40? I do get your point that 40 for anyone is pushing it.
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