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#268444 - 10/26/06 07:10 AM Re: MMA forum combined into JKD? [Re: billyg]
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billyg wrote

I think if Bruce Lee were still alive today then he would have constantly adjusted his training methods to incorporate techniques that have been proven to work and to discredit techniques that either wouldn’t work or are still being taught and would leave a person in danger.

Hi Billy, welcome to the forums.

I believe that Lee was in a constant state of evolution within his training. His three major eras (from early to later; Seattle, Oakland, LA) were dramatically different from each other. Lee’s martial arts research WAS continually evolving and adjusting. This is because Lee wasn’t interested in learning and developing another “style” so much as he was interested in continually honing the training process. He was dropping much of the wing chun aspects as time went on and was clearly headed toward adding a lot more grappling aspects.

Lee states himself that the most important thing is to “research your own experience (the “experience of sparring/working against resisting partners and opponents), absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and to add what is specifically your own (to develop YOUR own unique game based upon your own unique abilities).

The ONLY way to know if you can effectively pull off your techniques for real is to SPAR them. It is within that context that you learn to absorb what is useful and learn what to reject as useless. I mean, how would you come by that info any other way.

Thus at the end of the day, if something didn’t work it was discarded. And MANY things were being discarded and added all the time (wing chun in favor of more grappling techniques, being researched and developed by Larry Hartsell, among others.

Hartsell has even said that Lee was definitely heading toward what we now understand as MMA style training. Why wouldn’t he have? It only makes sense not to compartmentalize fighting.


As I am a female I feel my interests are in self defence but I would still like to develop other related skills.
I look forward to reading your input on the forums.

Thanks! Your interested in self-defense is completely understandable. That’s why we all did this stuff pretty much.

One thing I have come to understand over the years is that self-defense isn’t something you learn by rote. In other words, you don’t learn a dozen moves, practiced in a static manner. Self-defense should be a “by-product” of one’s training and not something merely memorized and regurgitated. Any training done in that manner won’t likely be of as much worth. You’d probably be better off with nothing but natural instincts.

One thing about JKD is the simplicity and “daily decrease” found within the discipline. Paul Vunak has a method called the “RAT” that serves as a sort of “game plan” for self-defense. It isn’t meant to replace long term training. It’s meant to supplement it. You may want to look into that if you can find a PFS (Progressive Fighting Systems) group near you.

Thanks again and take care!


#268445 - 11/01/06 05:27 AM Re: MMA forum combined into JKD? [Re: TimBlack]
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If we were voing I would say comine the two forums. That way people in the JKD forum wold not only talk about Bruce Lee but actual concept and different ways of practicing in short MMA. And people in MMA would stop talking about sports only but include actual mma street fighting.
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#268446 - 11/01/06 05:56 AM Re: MMA forum combined into JKD? [Re: TeK9]
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Thats a valid point, but people can do that now on those forums by starting specific topics toward those lines of thought.


#268447 - 11/01/06 09:21 AM Re: MMA forum combined into JKD? [Re: JKogas]
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I personally would prefer them separate.

#268448 - 11/01/06 01:41 PM Re: MMA forum combined into JKD? [Re: Dereck]
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While the two are often intertwined, Id rather see them seperate as well.
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
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