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#267737 - 06/29/06 11:59 AM Rotating Curriculum
MartinVonCannon Offline

Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 13

I was wondering if anyone uses, or their instructor uses a rotating curriculum. By this I mean that everyone learns the same technique or form at the same time.
- Martin E. Von Cannon

#267738 - 06/29/06 12:27 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
underdog Offline

Registered: 09/18/04
Posts: 1270
Loc: Mansfield, MA U.S.A.
No we don't. I'm having trouble figuring out how that would work. I don't mind, as a black belt, working on a white belt or any lower rank kata because when I do, I'm working on my own stuff. The lower ranked person practicing with me is not doing the same thing even if they are working on the same kata. Is this what you mean?
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#267739 - 06/29/06 01:32 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
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Registered: 11/25/04
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Loc: York PA. USA
My BJJ class uses a "rotating curriculum", although I have never heard that term. We all work on the same technique each class. We are all white belts, though. My AKK school did not, however. Each belt rank (indeed each person) had their own curriculum. (as far as what techniques were worked on in a given class)
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#267740 - 06/29/06 01:56 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: underdog]
MartinVonCannon Offline

Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 13
I also am having the same issue with figuring out how it works. As the forms progress, so do some of the technique in them. How would I expect a new student (White Belt) to be able accomplish some of them.
- Martin E. Von Cannon

#267741 - 06/29/06 01:58 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
MartinVonCannon Offline

Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 13
I would like to know how the rotating curriculum is working for you as a student an/or as an instructor. Please list good and bad points.
- Martin E. Von Cannon

#267742 - 07/01/06 12:06 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
WuXing Offline

Registered: 10/24/05
Posts: 481
Loc: Idaho, USA
The last school I was in used a rotating curriculum. However, it came into effect at the intermediate levels. At the beginning levels, each person would be taught whatever was appropriate for their level, with the class breaking into small groups to accomodate that. For the intermediate and advanced students, everyone would work on the same thing each month. For intermediate, it was a one year rotation of material, with something new every month or so. For advanced clases, there was a two year rotation of material and conditioning classes, in some cases a few months being spent on the same thing. It seemed to work just fine. The testing process took this schedule into account, obviously. Tests were scheduled at intervals throughout the year, instead of being individualized as they were for beginners.
Instead of the teacher needing to go from group to group or individual to individual, he or she can instruct the whole class at the same time. If everyone is learning the staff in May, then the teacher can predict that there may be some people who need new staffs at that time, and have them ordered. Another effect of the system, which could be considered a benefit or a detraction, is that the students can know what is coming up and when. They can look forward to learning something they are excited about, and know exactly when it will be taught.
What is pro and con really depends on the particular school, what your goals are, and how many students there are. A school with many students that requires a high level of organization and has few instructors, or only one, might benefit from that sort of curriculum.

For smaller numbers of students, I would prefer an individualised curriculum which doesn't have any schedule.

So to answer your question about how it would work, you need to have more than one class. You could have a rotating schedule of basics and beginning forms for the beginner class. A schedule of intermediate material for the intermediate class, all of which requires roughly the same level of proficiency. And an advanced class which rotates through the advanced material.
I think this is really only appropriate for a fairly large number of students.

Edited by WuXing (07/01/06 12:12 PM)

#267743 - 07/27/06 12:41 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: WuXing]
Ives Offline

Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 691
Loc: the Netherlands
Last season we focused a little on one kihon-waza per month. That next to other kihon-waza and some different kata per grade level.
So one month tsuki-waza was trained, the next mae-geri-waza, then age-uke-waza and so on...
It worked out quite nice.
The extra attention on a waza help to fine-tune the different waza a bit better than usual.

#267744 - 07/28/06 03:51 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: Ives]
MartinVonCannon Offline

Registered: 01/31/06
Posts: 13
I can see how the extra attention on a specific form or technique would work well.

I am getting the impression that rotating Curriculum works well for class that have specific ranks in a class (beginning class, intermediate, advanced, Black Belt, etc). It does not work so well for classes that have multiple belts per class.
- Martin E. Von Cannon

#267745 - 07/31/06 06:32 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
Reiki Offline
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Registered: 05/30/02
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We usually divide the class sessions up into thirds or quarters. Part of class time is spent with all doing the same things ie footwork drills, arnis stick work, kicking, punching, SD techniques, and perhaps some yatsukos or grappling, or sometimes kata.

The other parts of the class are usually spent on rank specific stuff with students splitting up into ranks and working on their own level syllabus items with or without partners.

We have a large range of rank levels from white belt through to black belts and it works just fine for all of us. Often I will bring lower ranks in with a higher group to start on their new syllabus so that they have some role models to assist if necessary.
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#433292 - 07/16/11 03:22 AM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: MartinVonCannon]
LeatheFirebender Offline

Registered: 07/16/11
Posts: 1
Yeah, we do. Actually I think I joined just after they switched over to rotating curriculum. I really, really like it and hope to see it implemented more often.

Here's how it works:
The instructor teaches the same moves to everyone in the class, from the yellow belts all the way to the black belts (the white belts have separate, easier curriculum.) We have the same curriculum for two months, then we all test together. Then the curriculum changes. We call these two month periods "testing cycles". (I know two months seems frequent but we have like 20 belt ranks so yeah shocked )

I really love it because I get to meet everyone from all different belt levels, and we all help each other learn the material. There is a team and family type feeling among all the ranks that you just can't create with separate curriculum smile And I know you think "wait but how could a yellow belt do the same stuff as a brown belt?". The instructors realize this, and, of course, expect better technique and skill from the higher ranks.

Hope that helps!

Also! I forgot to add. At our studio the test to earn your black belt or get your 2nd/3rd degree is almost completely based on strenght/conditioning (it's an insane amount of conditioning!). Hope that helps explain more smile

Edited by LeatheFirebender (07/16/11 03:31 AM)

#433331 - 07/17/11 04:46 PM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: LeatheFirebender]
gojuman59 Offline

Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
In my dojo we have so few students that we run some of the techniques of different levels together. This allows our 7th kyu to at least get a feeling for Saifa kata along with his required Gekisai dai san. When testing comes he may perform both kata but really will only be evaluated on the Gekisai Dai san.
This overlap is good in that he gets exposed to Saifa and when I start working on Gekki Ha he can peal off and work on his Gekisai dai san.
Having only four kyus in our club has its challenges, but by working on same techniques we can get better together. It's easier because there isn't much separation between us. We have one 7th kyu,two 6th kyus and myself, a 5th kyu. I can see that it could be more difficult if the ranks were more spread apart. By being a small club and close in rank it's easier to motivate each other.


#433779 - 09/07/11 09:38 AM Re: Rotating Curriculum [Re: gojuman59]
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Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 921
Loc: Manchester United Kingdom
Not too sure about other countries but in the UK it is associated with the "Belt Factories" "Family Martial Arts" and "Black Belt Academies" that are the "McDojos" or "Black Belt in 18 months" schools of the martial Arts world.

This Rotating Syllabus doesn't give anything to the higher Grades, and how can a lower grade appreciate or understand the complexities of the senior Kata. The Kata for "Normal" schools is designated in their locations mainly because one Kata feeds into another and another etc.

I was in my Tang Soo Do School and left just before they implemented it there and this is a "Family Martial Arts" school.

For most schools the Pinan/Heian Kata are part of their syllabus and these must go in sequence as the technicalities of each kata are for someone who hasn't been training for as long as others will misunderstand the what why when where and how - UNLESS you school just practices Kata for passing grades then it doesn't really matter because even at Black Belt you will never know the what why when where and how unless your Instructor passes that information on to you.

I do go through some of the Senior Kata with my class but I don't expect the lower grades to get it correct or even remember the techniques. But then Again my school does practice Bunkai. Our self defence is found INSIDE the kata not a separate part of the syllabus.

Definitely a NO-NO for me with regards to a Rotating Curriculum
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