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#266961 - 06/27/06 12:56 AM BJJ book w/DVD
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Ok, I saw this book at Waldenbooks the other day with a DVD included...I can't remember who was the author. I think it was about $30. Does anyone know the book I'm talking about?

Incidentally, I looked thru a book about self defense written by the Gracies. Lots of interesting techniques in there.
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#266962 - 06/27/06 01:33 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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lol...hey I think I know which book you mean...was that the one with multiple paper pages binded together by a cover? The pages were filled with words and pictures and stuff? is that the one?

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#266963 - 06/27/06 01:53 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Basics: Mastering The Essential Techniques

by Gene Simco.

There are a few reviews on amazon.

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#266964 - 06/27/06 06:15 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: oldman]
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Thanks Oldman...I may pick up that Gracie self-defense book too. There's a defense against someone armed with a folding chair that might come in handy at sunday school. I know I can get worked up over minor things, but damn it, the literal rendering of that greek word in that passage in Romans was CHARITY, not love! But I digress...
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#266965 - 07/14/06 01:28 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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Anyway, I got the book. The DVD is much easier to follow than the photos, for me. Does anyone have his Master Text book?
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#266966 - 07/26/06 06:32 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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I too am planning to get that book. So I can practice te basic of bjj. The gracie self defense book is not worth the cost. You can pick up any old jujutsu book with a large variety of techniques which are the same as the Gracie self defense book.

I've looked the book over many times, the techniques are no different that classical jujutsu. In the beggining of the book Royce talks about the difference of Gracie jujutsu and although they place emphasis on ground grappling, it is stil more for sport purposes. The real self defense are more classic techniques.
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#266967 - 07/26/06 06:37 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: TeK9]
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If you want to get a really goodbok on jujutsu I suggest you buy:
-Jujutsu Basic techniques and Jujutsu intermediate techniques by Geaorge Kirby.

-Bruce Tegners, Complete Book Of Jujutsu

-Small Circle Jutjutsu by Professor Wally Jay

These are al great books. Bruce Tegners books demonstrates wazas ad katas. First you learn the basic techniques, then you learn how to use them in sequences along with variations of the techniques.
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#266968 - 07/27/06 07:46 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: TeK9]
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I too am planning to get that book. So I can practice te basic of bjj. The gracie self defense book is not worth the cost. You can pick up any old jujutsu book with a large variety of techniques which are the same as the Gracie self defense book.

I've looked the book over many times, the techniques are no different that classical jujutsu. In the beggining of the book Royce talks about the difference of Gracie jujutsu and although they place emphasis on ground grappling, it is stil more for sport purposes. The real self defense are more classic techniques.




I was joking about getting that book, I thought it would be clear from the context. I have watched clips of the video series of Gracie self defense tapes, though.
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#266969 - 07/28/06 10:25 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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I guess the jokes on me, I'm still getting the bok though. I've gone over it many times. I am curious about learning the basics of bjj and this book seems very good in it's illustrations and it's text. Plus it comes with that nifty dvd and the books is only goig to cost me $22 at barnes and nobles.
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#266970 - 07/29/06 04:27 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: TeK9]
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There are much better choices for BJJ instruction than virtually anything by Simco.

Keep looking. All of the Kid Peligro assited books are good choices. Rigan Machado's is good.

Stay away from Simco or Hatmaker for BJJ/ grappling. Just MHO.
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#266971 - 07/29/06 06:36 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: TeK9]
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Quote:

I guess the jokes on me, I'm still getting the bok though. I've gone over it many times. I am curious about learning the basics of bjj and this book seems very good in it's illustrations and it's text. Plus it comes with that nifty dvd and the books is only goig to cost me $22 at barnes and nobles.




Oh, I got the book from Simco, but I was joking about the Gracie Self Defense book. I'm sure there's some useful stuff in there. Does anyone have Gene Simco's Master Text book? It's supposedly the "biggest book on BJJ ever" or something. I bought the Encylopedia of BJJ by Machado. It annoys me that the techniques are not indexed and it's difficult to find something specific.

Tek9, you can get Simco's book for about half that price at amazon.com.
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#266972 - 07/30/06 07:12 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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Hmm almost half the price really? Will it come with a cd aswell?

I'll check it out, thanks for the info.

Good thing you didn't get the Gracie self defense book. It's nothing special. I just like reading the begging pages, were they clearly say that most of the ground grappling is sport and not real self defense. If you check out the book all the stand up jujutsu techniques are the same as classic jj.
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#266973 - 07/30/06 08:28 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: TeK9]
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Yup. Got it off Amazon, with the DVD. In like-new condition I might add.
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#266974 - 09/03/06 05:52 AM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: Fletch1]
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Quote:

There are much better choices for BJJ instruction than virtually anything by Simco.

Keep looking. All of the Kid Peligro assited books are good choices. Rigan Machado's is good.

Stay away from Simco or Hatmaker for BJJ/ grappling. Just MHO.




I've gotta disagree with you there. I don't think Kid Peligro offers much. Renzo Gracie's Mastering JuJitsu that he did with John Danaher is much better than anything Kid has put out. Gene Simco is alright bookwise but he's a con artist, so not buying from him is probably a good idea. Mark Hatmaker is one of the better authors I've come across, and his sections on conditioning are worth more than some other entire books (such as by Peligro) that I've read. Only Kid Peligro book I recommend is Gracie Way, but it's not an instructional.

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#266975 - 09/04/06 06:27 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: migo]
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Quote:

Quote:

There are much better choices for BJJ instruction than virtually anything by Simco.

Keep looking. All of the Kid Peligro assited books are good choices. Rigan Machado's is good.

Stay away from Simco or Hatmaker for BJJ/ grappling. Just MHO.




I've gotta disagree with you there. I don't think Kid Peligro offers much. Renzo Gracie's Mastering JuJitsu that he did with John Danaher is much better than anything Kid has put out. Gene Simco is alright bookwise but he's a con artist, so not buying from him is probably a good idea. Mark Hatmaker is one of the better authors I've come across, and his sections on conditioning are worth more than some other entire books (such as by Peligro) that I've read. Only Kid Peligro book I recommend is Gracie Way, but it's not an instructional.




Why do you say Simco is a con artist? Is it because of his online training videos? I see he was awarded his black belt for a few years now.
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#266976 - 09/04/06 09:44 PM Re: BJJ book w/DVD [Re: SubZero]
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http://www.mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=843939&FID=11 explains that quite well.

In short he's a con artist in the person to person instruction department, he makes claims he quite clearly hasn't (and most likely can't) back up, and in his Master Text he covers techniques for Vale Tudo that wouldn't work well in such a situation.

The intro book of his with the DVD isn't that bad since it just covers BJJ with a gi, and it's valid in a sport BJJ context. But you might as well not buy it simply because he's dishonest and there are better alternatives out there.

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