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#266603 - 06/25/06 04:07 AM The Shredder
MartialMack Offline
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Registered: 05/11/05
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What do you guys think?

(Not referring to the Ninja Turtles villain!)

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#266604 - 06/25/06 05:07 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: MartialMack]
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Is there something I'm missing which everybody else knows about?

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#266605 - 06/25/06 08:40 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: Supremor]
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I'm with you Supermor
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#266606 - 06/25/06 10:32 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: MartialMack]
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IS THIS A MA TACHNIQUE??

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#266607 - 06/25/06 11:25 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: mean_fighter]
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Don't really know enough about it to comment, but here is a link -

http://www.senshido.com/swwd2_2.html
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#266608 - 06/25/06 05:11 PM Re: The Shredder [Re: MattJ]
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Now, I'm not saying it's total BS, but it doesn't help when they put this:

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A. The Shredder has yet to fail in real fights.




I'm sure it is a useful addition to an arsenal (although, most MAs and particularly combatives teach a certain amount of eye gouging, fish hooking etc.). But it will, and has failed. That's why cavemen and animals aren't unstoppable killing machines.

And as for him saying that you didn't need to train for it, but then telling people to buy the pack, go to seminars, get classes etc.... *cough* gimmick
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#266609 - 06/25/06 05:59 PM Re: The Shredder [Re: TimBlack]
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I'm hesitant to say anything about it because I've never trained it and, I've corresponded with Rich Dimitri on a several occassions. He always came across as a cool enough guy.

I HAVE been naturally skeptical about this. I work in that close/clinch range all the time and I know that the close range is always about position FIRST before any sort of "attack" whatever it may be (takedown, strike or, "SHREDDER").

My thoughts are basically this:

If the clinch is about position first and attack second, then it doesn't MATTER what you attack with because it's ALL going to be pretty freakin' effective.

Shredder or knee to the face?

Shredder or elbow to the face?

Shredder or headbutt to the face?

Shredder or high level single-leg and dump?

Shredder or high crotch lift and dump (on the bean)?

Everything starts from positional dominance (or should) so if you HAVE that dominance, what does it matter whether you "shred" or not?


Just my opinion.



-John

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#266610 - 06/26/06 10:19 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: JKogas]
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I sometimes wonder whether people realise that a lot of grapplers and clinch fighters train to prevent other people from using biting/eye gouging/hair pulling on them.

Any groundfighter worth his/her salt would never let someone's mouth get infront of their body.

That said, this training could be useful and is probably more effective than having no training at all.
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#266611 - 06/26/06 11:33 AM Re: The Shredder [Re: Leo_E_49]
Cord Offline
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I would be wary of using any technique that had me putting my fingers in an aggressors mouth on purpose. There is no way of locking down head movement enough to prevent them getting a bite on you. you dont want that on so many levels its just not true. If you were in the happy position of dominace from a rear triangle as shown in the pic, then keeping a crank on and them off balance would be just as good, and let you walk away with all your digits. If you could get it cleanly from the front, then like JKogas said, you could get any number of strikes in the same space, none of which could end with your fingers being broken or severed.
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#266612 - 06/26/06 12:35 PM Re: The Shredder [Re: Cord]
Gavin Offline
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From what I've read about the shredder its more of a concept rather than a specific technique. It seems all about the mindset and simply maulling your opponent. Very similiar to what you'll see in San Soo, Black Tiger Kung Fu and some dodgy english Kempo. Just an old concept given a funky new name... and it is a cool name!
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