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#265752 - 06/22/06 04:41 PM Interesting review of a Systema video at bullshido
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#265753 - 06/23/06 07:39 AM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: SEAL]
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Sounds like the usual sort of thing said about Systema. I personally think that Systema has value as an MA, I can imagine the techniques being made to work in a resisting environment, although it probably wouldn't look anything like the videos you see of it.
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#265754 - 06/25/06 07:16 PM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: Leo_E_49]
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see what's so great about Systema. What makes it different or better than anything else? What are it's unique advantages and characteristics?
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#265755 - 06/25/06 07:45 PM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: Stormdragon]
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I agree. The thing I hate about it is all absolute HYPE that they spin around it. It's all sizzle and no steak.

Ultimately (as well all know) it isn't the style that works but the individual that works it. In that sense, all that matters is HOW you train, not what you train.

Systema is NOTHING but an attempt to make money off of the gullible.


#265756 - 06/25/06 08:05 PM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: JKogas]
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Hey, I just posted it. The opinions of systema are all starting to sound the same that it's like

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#265757 - 07/23/06 10:18 PM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: SEAL]
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The thing is, all the people who like to bash Systema are always the people who have never set foot inside a Systema class.
Personally, I never make assumptions on arts I have never trained in or studied and definately not from looking at some clips online.

#265758 - 09/03/06 07:17 AM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bullshido [Re: SEAL]
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I've done a Systema class, I actually liked it and they have some good training methods. What bothers me most about them is the claim about how unique it is, it isn't a run of the mill MA, but it's not completely unique like they say. When I brought this up on the RMA forums it was considered heresy. Not an encouraging attitude to me, so I didn't bother going back (although in retrospect I should have probably kept training and stayed off the forums to learn a bit more, but oh well).

#265759 - 05/06/07 05:16 PM Re: Interesting review of a Systema video at bulls [Re: Stormdragon]
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This is an older post but I just thought I'd offer my two cents.


What are it's unique advantages and characteristics?

I think the main thing that seperates it from other arts is it's strong emphasis on relaxed movement, proper breathing and dynamic tension. Other arts also have all these things, but Systema really does focus on them alot. If you were to go to a Sambo class and, say, do ground work and then go to Systema class the next day, you would see some similarities. However, the 'feel' is very diffirent.

The other thing that makes Systema unique is it's lack of technique. There are none. It places emphasis on movement over specific technique.

I think Systema has it's greatest value as an internal 'frame' from which your past training can flow. I know that none of this is very specific, but it's an attempt. Basically, I think there are many, many things unique in Systema. I also think it's one of those arts you have to try a few times with someone who knows what theyre doing in order to see that diffirence.

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