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#265071 - 06/20/06 10:17 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Mike_L]
exceptionist 2 Offline
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Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 438
Loc: Kanagawa Tokyo, Japan
I think if Ali didn't smack talk....he would be on everybody's list as G.O.A.T. I notice too, that when an athlete gets to the level that he is dominating every opponent...almost to the point of embarassment...then too he will be percieved as "cocky". I personally think that to Ali the science of boxing was easy for him, like a math wiz in algebra "easy A's". As for his retiring "too late"; well I admire his fighting spirit more so than his boxing ability (Ali VS US Government, Ali VS Joe "twice", George,Larry holmes)...fighters of that calibur are rare now in the Heavy division.

Secondly: Ali nurtured his basic style from "street fighting", check out his Biographies. He was noticed during a street encounter "as a youth" but it counts. Handspeed and power blended harmoniously together was his bread and butter, and the mans' footwork was unrivaled. Ali was a superb strategist, ebber quick, smart mouthed..."and oh so pretty" legend. Muhammad Ali.
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#265072 - 06/20/06 10:34 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: tyas]
tyas Offline
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Registered: 06/20/06
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yeah he was a smart boxer,
but i don really get tha rope a dope thing,i know thats his strategy when he faught foreman..but is the rope a dope still allowed these days??

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#265073 - 06/20/06 11:11 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: tyas]
Cord Offline
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Ali was the greatest. From his pure boxing skill in outclassing Joe Louis, to his 'human punchbag' take all you have demoralisation of George Foreman.
You also have to put him in a wider context. He was articulate, and a vocal supporter of equality, yet unlike pure political icons (Malcome, Martin luther) he managed to not alienate the mainstream (white) society. Rather, he charmed them, and won their admiration, not fear.
He could have gone to war- he would have been put on showbiz detail, and would not have needed to see any danger, but he stood by his beliefs and gave up what he loved the most as a price for his conviction. From there he returned and won it all back on his own terms. I dont necessarily agree with his standpoint, but I admire his conviction in the matter.
He was more than a boxer. his skill and charisma spoke across cultures and languages. You could be a CO in an office, and have nothing in common with a kid in the slums of Brazil, but I guarantee that put you together and introduce Ali as a topic, and an animated and enthusiastic discussion will ensue. Thats true greatness.

could Tyson/Lewis/Hollyfield/ insert modern day champ here, have beaten him? maybe. His legend is not based on invulnerability, it is based on tenacity, a striving for the ultimate whilst never losing sight of your roots, and above all sharpness of wit, and poetry of motion. Losing a fight simply couldnt weaken him, as it was his fights, not the results, that define him.
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#265074 - 06/20/06 11:21 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Cord]
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Registered: 05/20/06
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Loc: New York City
adding to Cord's

he was the people's champ, and made boxing known to the masses of people outside of the boxing community and boxing fans. Hell I never really watch boxing but I do know who Ali is. He was more than just boxer but an icon, politician, family man, muslim, leader, entertainer, etc. His cockiness and words and loud mouth was not only the center of attention but it also was part of his strategy. Personality perfectly molded into his fights. And while he danced around his opponents with unrivaled footwork and speed, he also stood his ground and took an unhuman amount of poundings to his arm and sides with his rope-a-dope. He fully understood the sport of boxing and showed it numerous times just by declaring which rounds his opponents will fall. He knew the tricks, the rules, and the mentality and weaknesses of his opponents and used them to his full advantage. He is the greatest...
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#265075 - 06/21/06 12:15 AM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Dudley32]
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Yes! it is true! Muhhamed Ali was trained in TKD and i have read and seen many a biographies and documantaries stating that this is true.He has told his life storys on his expieriences on the streets and all his fights on the streets.His boxing stratigie was called the, Rope a dope"' he started doing this as he would mock his opponnents tiering them out staying on the defens euntil he desides toi attack like a predator. or ofcoarse i might be wrong.

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#265076 - 06/21/06 07:44 AM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: mean_fighter]
exceptionist 2 Offline
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Ali was a natural talent; prior to TKD. The defining characteristic being his "dancing around opponent" Check out the Ali vs Patterson bout. Secondly, a many seem to believe his defining style was "rope a dope"....wrong, that came only during the Foreman fight "which ironically can be percieved as his greatest bout." Personally , I dig the Frazier series. Ali may have used the rope a dope "late" in his career too, we know "now" that he was suffering from an illness that would only years later be formally diagnosed. Aging fighters have to do these things, they can't honestly expect to go punch for punch with a fighter 10+ years their junior. Prime example of this is B. Hop...here's a guy that's been champ and consistently winning fights for over a decade. How? He is not as aggressive, nor is fast as he once was, but he is master of clinch fighting "tired", master of dirty boxing "borderline illegal punches", and can still go twelve! Plenty people don't like to watch these fights, but true boxing enthusiasts can appreciate the methodology of a master.
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#265077 - 06/21/06 10:06 AM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: exceptionist 2]
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I enjoy this conversationt but let's get back to his style, not Muhammad, unless you want to talk about the man more than his style.

His style is very similar to JKD, or should it be JKD is similar to him? I don't know, but I know that he's a genius when it comes to boxing.

His "rope-a-dope" was a famous technique but it's not his style of play. It wasn't used that much. Sting like a butterfly, run like a bee (Joke intended) was what made him a legend.

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#265078 - 06/21/06 11:02 AM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Taison]
Cord Offline
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Loc: Cambridge UK.
With respect Taison, everyone's style of JKD is different dependant on their skillset and what works for them, so saying Ali fought 'like a JKD practitioner' is only correct in the sense that he found, and was keenly aware of, his strengths, and developed his boxing style to maximise those strengths. In that sense, you can say every boxer fights 'JKD', after all, none of them go out of their way to use techniques and footwork that dont do them any favours.

He had great footwork and balance, fast hands, and was flamboyant and focussed in equal measure. He had a suspect jaw, but tenacity and willpower enough to get out of trouble more often than he should have.

His fighting style worked well enough for him to win the greatest prize on earth 3 times, and cement his achievements, in not just sporting history, but the history of the 20th century. i dont think, on that basis, any of us are in a position to be overly critical
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#265079 - 06/21/06 01:30 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Cord]
Ayub Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
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Loc: London, UK
Lots of people have commented that you can see him intercepting his opponent with his superior speed in boxing matches. He was boxing around the same time as Lee's JKD, perhaps he was fond of the ideas.
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#265080 - 06/21/06 01:46 PM Re: opinions on muhammad ali's style of boxing? [Re: Cord]
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Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2573
In regard to his style of boxing, Ali was of course utterly unique.

Many kids who have seen him (and grown men too) want to imitate him. This isn't such a great idea, as he had a very unconventional, yet utterly unique style (hands low, relying heavily on head movement to avoid punches, then rope-a-dope etc...)

No one like him since, though there have been many pretenders. Touching on the JKD theme, what worked for Ali won't necessarily work for everyone. In boxing its better to learn the conventional way first, then experiment. You learn the rules so you can break 'em later on.

Great boxer though.
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