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#263604 - 06/16/06 07:46 PM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: White_Fox]
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WF,
...and you're thinking of the scene in the pub after the drug deal right??? Where he is carrying the pints from the bar????

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#263605 - 06/16/06 09:45 PM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: Gavin]
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Pretty accurate story, Gav. I have actually seen fights in bars start for less - one of my former students got into a fight with an angry drunk because the drunk thought my student had looked at him funny. True story, I was there.

Luckily, my student was victorious. Although we all got kicked out of the club!

Fighting is stupid!
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#263606 - 06/17/06 04:38 PM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: MattJ]
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Some people will use anything for a fight. Usually trying to take something out on someone who has no relation what so ever to the problems they've got. Maybe someone broke up with their girlfriend and bumps into you to start a fight to take it out on a complete stranger (i.e. you).

I'd say if you find someone being aggressive to you like that, turning everything you say into an attack on their person, leave right away and don't turn away from them whatever you do. That said, avoiding a fight with someone who really wants one is a hard thing to do.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (06/17/06 04:39 PM)
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#263607 - 06/19/06 06:40 AM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: Leo_E_49]
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My main aim of this little story was to drag the reader through the incident by the hair. Shown it to a few people over the weekend and had lot's a great feedback on it, people seem to have picked up how easy violence can errupt. Which is cool, exactly one of my intentions. However if you read it, most of the violence is implied and the character in the story actually detatches himself from the violence. Our brain is a fantastic at protecting us from stress... if you've ever been in a fight and been hit, you'll notice that it doesn't hurt until afterwards. There are various physiological processess happening here which are beyond my tiny little brain... but basically what happens is you kind of withdraw into your self, your brain is a great mate that doesn't want you to experience unpleasentness, so it withdraws in on itself. It kinda slips into an alternate reality, like the guy the article, completely looses the plot. When it really kicks and you're on the receiving end your thought processes go mad... your brain takes a vacation. This why some people get kind of an out of body experience during a punch up. How many people have you spoke to who have been in a car crash who've told you it was like watching themselves in the third person? This is one of the key things I really wanted to get across.

At the seminars and lessons I've taught at I've meet a lot of people who have fantastic tools... great body evasion and a nice solid punch, but whenever I start introducing them to a slightly unpleasent situation, the last thing in the world they are thinking about doing is actually hitting or fighting. Their brains think in the wrong direction... trying to avoid the unpleasentness. They think inward, trying to hide inside themselves.

McSensei, Buzz or someone else who was on the last Combat Arena seminar... how did you find the introduction of the mindset stuff?
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#263608 - 06/19/06 08:57 AM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: Gavin]
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Interesting, I wonder if training in a high-level-of-contact environment can help you keep your wits about you?
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#263609 - 06/19/06 10:51 AM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: Leo_E_49]
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I think it helps, but it still think it lacks in developing that proper mindset, switching into that animalistic violent frame of mind needed to actually use your stuff for real. To thats the advantage your untrained scumbag off the street has over the trained MA. All they ususlly have is pure violent intent when they move their mind and body it totally commited to the act of violence. The trouble is they don't know how to move their body, but they are usually very accustomed to thinking violently... they are the predators. Trained MA's are usually very well trained at moving their body in violent ways, but not the mind. Which is why on street they usually get eaten up. Alot of people slag off the all these fight clips that are plastered over the net, but I personally think their brilliant for demonstrating the correct energetics of a conflict. If you look past all the wind milling you'll usually see a predator and a side salad. There is absolute pure intention, just not a lot else.

The way we try and train is that any act of violence against us is like dropping a match into a crate of dynamite and we then try to explode out and engulf everything in your path. Most fights are one and lost on someones mindset more than their physical ability.
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#263610 - 06/19/06 08:53 PM Re: A Less Than Pleasent Ride [Re: Gavin]
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Seeing as you asked, I've got to say that perception of intent on the part of the student is more important than actual full contact.
Getting hit while under the influence of adrenaline is not a great deal of a problem as for the most part you don't feel it, you-for want of a better phrase-percieve it. It is how your mind deals with that, that is important.
Some peoples natural response is to curl up and try to protect themselves that way, others is to rise up and attack their aggressor. It is the latter mindset that one needs to cultivate to become a successful fighter.

Not sure if this has any relevance as I've been out on the P*** with the wife.

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