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#262717 - 06/13/06 01:22 PM Straight blast
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Is the straight blast really the cornerstone of JKD? And, how is it different from a jab?
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#262718 - 06/13/06 04:42 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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The straight blast is not the lead straight punch. Its alternating straights with forward momentum, like chain punching.

I think, by the schools of thought, if you hit someone once you can hit them again - so why not, and straights are the fastest route to your opponent and will intercept, the straight blast can be described as a flawlessly scientific fight finisher.
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#262719 - 06/13/06 04:58 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ayub]
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How do oyu alternate straits? I'm still not quite sure I understand.
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#262720 - 06/13/06 05:44 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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When chain punching, the punch originates from close to the centre of the chest and moves in a straight line towards the target. Meanwhile, the other hand is moving backwards (underneath the punching arm), to where the first punch was thrown from, and the cycle continues. Shuffle forward, taking small steps to add power and to keep the opponent on the defensive. You can throw lots of shots with reasonable power in a very short space of time

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#262721 - 06/13/06 07:31 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: jkdwarrior]
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Huh, sounds interesting, but why not just throw real fast consecutive jab cross combinations?
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#262722 - 06/13/06 10:03 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Because, its JKD.
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#262723 - 06/14/06 11:14 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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it's also physically impossible. i posted a link in the kung fu forum to a wing chun site that kind of describes the science behind it. the shortest distance from one point to another is a straight line, so the chain punch can move faster. it worked so well for lee because he had foreamrs like popeye. in most cases, it is most likely not as powerful as a boxer/karateka's punch, but you can land about 3 in the time it would usually take to land 1.

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#262724 - 06/14/06 11:41 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Huh, sounds interesting, but why not just throw real fast consecutive jab cross combinations?




This is the boxing straight blast. Adopted as the blast of choice by many JKD men. More powerful in my opinion, though perhaps a touch slower whilst concentrating on keeping the mechanics of power punching tighter.
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#262725 - 06/14/06 12:19 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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What is referred to as "straight blast" these days is what martial artists commonly refer to when speaking of Mr. Lee's straight line hitting method.
To be more distinct, the leading straight right or "straight lead" with the strong hand positioned in the front of the stance is the cornerstone punch of JKD. This was the tool he refined the most out of all the punches or kicks. It generates the most force within a small distance and he practiced it constantly. Most of his training was done with the lead side. The training was not symmetrical.

My former instructor acquired Bruce Lee's bag training gloves from the first Bruce Lee estate auction in 1994. The gloves were originally black leather, but the right glove is worn to the point where the entire hitting surface has almost no black enamel on it and is conformed to the shape of Lee's fist. The left glove is also worn, but with only a couple of cracks.

The main mechanical difference between Lee's straight lead and chain punching is the utilization of the footwork mechanics to generate force behind the punch. The position of the hand is nearly exactly the same, with the fist landing vertically and the elbow covering the center line. When executing the straight lead, a forward pushing step is delivered with the back leg pushing against the floor with the heel raised. This transfers tremendous kinetic energy into the lead hand that is being thrust forward. The combination of the kinetic energy from the step and the whipping motion generated by the body turning and the hand extending in that fashion all contribute to how the movement is properly done. This enabled him to be able to hit not only very quickly, but with tremendous power and in combination. This was done in a different fashion than the WC version of "ching" internal force or by use of small circular steps.

"Attack by combination" was one of Lee's tactics, the five ways of attack. Different combinations were practiced, including those similar to the WC chain punch, but also some similar to boxing. Punching drills I went through included a lot of lead with push step/hook with circle step, lead with front shuffle step twice/rear cross with push step combinations. There were also hand/foot combinations such as lead front kick to shin with pendulum step/lead punch with small push step/lead hooking kick with burst step. Indeed, there are many attacks by combination. The boxing and WC type of tactics are only a few of them.

A lot of these mechanics are referred to by martial artists as "straight blast", but the intricacies of each movement are what make them work. To me this means the true cornerstone of JKD movement is in the integration of the fighting position with the footwork. The lead hand punch was simply Lee's main tool of conveying this.
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#262726 - 06/14/06 07:12 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Mike_L]
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Because, its JKD.




And your point is? If you only do it because it's JKD then you are not following the philosophy of JKD, that is, oyu are only following tradition.
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#262727 - 06/15/06 12:14 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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because its scientificly, faster.
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#262728 - 06/15/06 01:34 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Mike_L]
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But if it's weaker, than why do it?
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#262729 - 06/15/06 01:35 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Hmm. this is a good question. Is it better to get many small powered punches in, or a few hard punches in?
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#262730 - 06/15/06 01:39 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Mike_L]
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Now that's a dam good question. A few powerful punches will put a guy down quicker but many fast punches will keep them off balance, overwhelmed, on the defensive, and it will be easier to nail them. I guess it's just a matter of personal preference and body type, attributes, etc.
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#262731 - 06/15/06 05:49 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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But if you are definately going to land the slower more powerful punches (and you can continue doing both indefinately), then I would stick with the more powerful punches.
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#262732 - 06/15/06 03:17 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ayub]
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That's not ALWAYS the best way - you should see the value in both if you're a JKD student. The thing is, even though you may be able to put a guy down in less punches with a more "powerful" strike, it doesn't mean you will. Too many MAists overlook the fact that it is not easy to knock someone out, no matter how strong you are. Personally, I like faster punches and multiple targets. Sometimes it's best to break the branches before you fell the tree.

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#262733 - 06/15/06 05:53 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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But under the assumption of always landing either way, you may as well hit the guy harder. Too much speed will mean you will have less accuracy, and the inability to change redirect your shot should the guy move.
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#262734 - 06/16/06 01:32 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Taking it to a different view. SB is a good offensive move but counter for counter.

Isn't the slide back hook punch a intercepting counter for a straight blast, either angle out or step back front leg hook punch on the now front hand they seem to run into the hook. Angle out they can't hit you straight punch, but you can hit them.

So how close before you are safe to blast, do you oush them 1st or sweep the front leg. Of course after a power stunning shot, you fairly safe.


Edited by Neko456 (06/16/06 01:34 AM)
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#262735 - 06/16/06 10:48 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Neko456]
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Well every single attack has a counter, and every counter has a counter so that argument can always be used. What we can learn from that is to always choose the right shots and always be in a high state of awareness, this will increase the chance of being able to counter any counter you may encounter .
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#262736 - 06/16/06 01:32 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ayub]
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How about this, throw three or four fast punches and then a devastating one. I personally feel that it is better to aim for speed in the initial few encounters in case he is a good counter fighter. Get him off balance or stun him with a quick shot, making sure you finish in a position from which you can throw one of you most powerful shots, and then unleash the fury. The one that works best for me is the jab/cross.
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#262737 - 06/16/06 05:38 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ayub]
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But under the assumption of always landing either way, you may as well hit the guy harder. Too much speed will mean you will have less accuracy, and the inability to change redirect your shot should the guy move.




Training for speed and accuracy could remedy that. That's kind of what the WC components of JKD are all about IMO. Not to argue, just throwin it out there.

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#262738 - 06/19/06 11:59 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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One should know when to use short non-powerful attacks, and one should know when to use slow but powerful attacks. If use either one in a thoughtless manner then all you will do is tire yourself and waste a lot of energy and strentgh on a bunch of careless attacks. IMO I believe that you should try and make your attacks as fast and consistent as possible at first and as your opponent becomes weary and less responsive, then you should use stronger, more powerful attacks. I think everyone agrees that whenever you use an attack that offers more power that you sacrifice a lot of your defense at the same time as the attack, so it would only make sense to wear your opponent down before doing so because then they will have less reaction to respond to your open spot in your attack. That's what has always worked for me. But you should do whatever works best for you. That is JKD isn't it, taking what works for you and using it instead of what flaws you?

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#262739 - 06/23/06 11:49 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: NeverEnough]
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Do what is appropriate for your situation. Take into consideration the assailant's intent and perceived capability, other potential assailants, the physical environment you're in, and what you wish to accomplish with the encounter.
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#262740 - 07/01/06 07:06 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: SmithNWessonDo]
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Does anyone have a link to a video clip of someone actually doing a straight blast?
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#262741 - 07/05/06 01:08 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Don't know of one, but if you google "chain punching" you'll see pretty much the same thing. If anything, this is a great move if you can get directly to someone's head - continuous, quick punching should theoretically rattle their brain around so much to KO or seriously debilitate their motor skills. It's a nasty trick, but it needs to be set up properly.

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#262742 - 07/05/06 07:01 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Mike_L]
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...this is a good question. Is it better to get many small powered punches in, or a few hard punches in?




The "Boxing Blast" may be slower than the more traditional "vertical" blast, but it isn't THAT slow.

Hawkins Cheung has (according to Burton Richardson) adopted the boxing blast over the vertical blast in his Wing Chun practice.



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#262743 - 07/19/06 01:07 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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A lot of JKD folks such as Paul Vunak seem to swear by the straight blast. I've seen it used before in a street fight in Hawaii, where MMA is extremely popular. It was a smaller guy (though in excellent shape, and clearly a martial artist by his response), and he did a straight blast to a much bigger guy. Like most real fights, it went to the ground, but the smaller guy clearly knew BJJ as well and he seemed to take it to the ground on purpose... the bigger guy was on top, but the smaller guy immediately had him in full guard with the legs and then he was able to leverage him, turn him around on his back and straighten his body. It looked like he was going to do some sort of submission, but the fight was stopped by other people.

But the blast really stunned the guy and he nearly fell over before it was taken to the ground. He walked away with a bloody face, and the smaller guy had no visible damage. He didn't do a complete centerline blast, but got some face strikes in too.

Good stuff. The smaller guy was totally dominant and the blast was completely effective against a much larger opponent. It allowed him to do what it's intended for: throw him off balance, stun and take control.


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#262744 - 07/20/06 12:22 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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the straight blast is like a right cross in boxing right???
yeah but it's hard to tell how much force it has when you're puching the air...but if it hits something then you know how good it is...(i've used it alot it's better than what my teachers told me to use )
it's even better when you aim for the nose,mouth,eye

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#262745 - 07/20/06 12:07 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: MartialMack]
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Alot of people swear by the straight blast because it was rumored to be one of Bruce Lee's favorite techniques.

As suggested above, I still ponder that if you used more powerful punches within its charge, instead of series chain punches why not 1-2 fast hits & then a power shot. I wonder if all that tussling and the other strikes would be needed? Now its always wise to have a alternative plan, which is all I'm saying.
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#262746 - 07/20/06 01:58 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Does anyone have a link to a video clip of someone actually doing a straight blast?




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6465977435097127292&q=vitor+belfort

This is a highlight clip of Vitor Belfort. He uses a straight blast, or at least something a lot like it, at around 3:25. It really shows how effective it can be if you time it properly and have enough power behind it.

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#262747 - 07/20/06 02:41 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JustGuess]
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That was a beautiful straight blast. Belfort really did well to beat Silva who is a tank, and especially so quickly, just 43s.

The straight blast I have done in JKD class has always been this kind, alternating boxing style straights rather than WC Chain Punching straight blast.
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#262748 - 09/07/06 02:17 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Huh, sounds interesting, but why not just throw real fast consecutive jab cross combinations?




Because it's a cross comination and not a strieght line. The princeable behind it is speed/quickness vs power.

the straight blast gets it's power from foot work and the momentum of the chain of punches where cross combination of jabs would get it from turning your waiste. The jab, or a hook bot have a much more angular feel to them. The other thing, is jabs work good in a few stances, but straight blast works in almost any stance. Try a few, like try to do streight blast and a jab in horse stance, Your balance will be off and the jab will lose a ton of power.

The other thing is that the streight blast executes the one inch punch technique of closing the fist before impact and punch 2 inches behind the target, which doesn't work so well with the jab btw. Therefore if its twice as fast as the jab, it has a chance of being just as powerfull as the jab as well.

I would train in it, and get to know it, and then spar using that and then using the jab combo. Find what you prefer, and what works better, and use that.

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#262749 - 09/11/06 08:35 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: shadex]
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The other thing is that the streight blast executes the one inch punch technique of closing the fist before impact and punch 2 inches behind the target, which doesn't work so well with the jab btw. Therefore if its twice as fast as the jab, it has a chance of being just as powerfull as the jab as well.

I would train in it, and get to know it, and then spar using that and then using the jab combo. Find what you prefer, and what works better, and use that.




I hate to disagree with somebody yet again, but expressing one's opinions is what this forum is for.
Clenching the fist upon impact and landing behind the target definitely does work for the jab, or any punch for that matter. In fact it is essential for full power. If we are to use our bodies like a whip then we must be completley relaxed so that the full sting can be felt.
This is not the one inch punch technique, it is all punching technique

edited to fix quote


Edited by MattJ (09/16/06 09:08 AM)

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#262750 - 09/15/06 08:55 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: jkdwarrior]
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When alot of people see the straight blast for the first time they think its so easy and simple to do and there conclusions to the straight blast is that it has no power behind it which is false. Like in any technique you have to train and develope it to make it stronger and more effective then you will see the true power behind the straight blast when done by someone who has mastered that particular techinque. When I do my straight blast I can hit just as hard or harder then most peoples right cross.
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#262751 - 10/11/06 02:09 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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I think he might have been kidding. Sarcastic Type.

Some pretty good answers up there. But what about against an opponent of skill? None of you mentioned it. Thats the cornerstone of JKD. QUESTION IT. Question all of it. That is what makes Jkd what it is. Once you begin to ask the correct questions about your training and even about yourself then that is when you learn your art.

And to my question I answer that the boxing blast has been adopted for use against opponents with good enough defence to avoid the straight blast.
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#262752 - 10/11/06 11:24 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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the straight blast if done correctly and timed right i believe is indefenseable. this is just my oppinion
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#262753 - 10/11/06 11:51 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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Ok, well why do you think that? I think that may have been true when the Blast was first introduced but now people are more aware. All it takes to avoid a straight line attack is to sidestep and counter.
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#262754 - 10/11/06 12:04 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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yeah but if your timing is right you should connecting with you flury of punches leaving the OP back pedaling an unable to side step or counter but it does depend on timing it right
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#262755 - 10/11/06 12:14 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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Yeah but instead of back peddaling he can simply sidestep.
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#262756 - 10/11/06 12:27 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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not if he is recieving a barage of fists tto the face. not to be a smart*** so please don't take this the wrong way but have you ever been caught in a staight blast.believe me it is not as easy as you may think to side step
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#262757 - 10/11/06 12:46 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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Nothing is ever easy when it comes to combat. However, the straight blast is just that, straight. Now, thats somewhat predictable. If your boxing with the opponent then you are working angles. Those angles negate the straight blast, hence the creation and adaption of the boxing blast into jkd curriculum.
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#262758 - 10/11/06 12:52 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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i repect you and your oppinion but if iget into my straight blast my OP is in big trouble. now i'm not saying it is'nt possible but everytime ihave done it , it has worked
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#262759 - 10/11/06 01:03 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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Well then continue to use it.Thats what JKD is. Doing what works for YOU. Im not saying its a bad technique but it isnt invincible either.
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#262760 - 10/11/06 01:06 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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ok it is good to chat without having to defend just give beliefs and gfetting feedback not critism
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#262761 - 10/11/06 01:30 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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Exactly what the site was intended for.
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#262762 - 10/11/06 06:45 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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yeah but if your timing is right you should connecting with you flury of punches leaving the OP back pedaling an unable to side step or counter but it does depend on timing it right




Basically any technique that is timed right usually connects but there is still other variables to it like did it connect solidly or just graze or how hard are you actually hitting for it to make a great impact on the target. For example my friend fought a wing chun fighter he got caught with the straight blast but my friend has a hard head lol and the wing chun fighters straight blast power wasnt strong enough so my friend could take the hits and counter him. Usually the reason why once the straight blast connects its hard to defend against is because the opponent is already dizzy or shall I say rocked from the first initial blast hit thats why its hard for him to side step and counter the normal response is to go back and fall down from the momentum of the straight blast. One of the counters to the straight blast that alot of boxers use is the lead left hook. One of the best counters to the straight blast but the hardest to learn and usually can be done by a person who has trained in that technique.
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#262763 - 10/11/06 06:54 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Rumble]
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yes timing in any movement is important and for glancing blows or the intial blow i say my first blow of the straight blast is extremly powerfull because i explode with all my force while actually running at the OP continuing to deliver many blows followed by a elbow or a headbutt or a series ofknees which ever one is open for application so side stepping or a lesd hook may not work. thanks for responding
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#262764 - 10/11/06 09:55 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: MartialMack]
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A lot of JKD folks such as Paul Vunak seem to swear by the straight blast. I've seen it used before in a street fight in Hawaii, where MMA is extremely popular. It was a smaller guy (though in excellent shape, and clearly a martial artist by his response), and he did a straight blast to a much bigger guy.





Although many folks are using more of the boxing blast these days, the straight vertical blast is “decent”. A friend of mine used it with success while in Spain in a situation.


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Like most real fights, it went to the ground, but the smaller guy clearly knew BJJ as well and he seemed to take it to the ground on purpose... the bigger guy was on top, but the smaller guy immediately had him in full guard with the legs and then he was able to leverage him, turn him around on his back and straighten his body. It looked like he was going to do some sort of submission, but the fight was stopped by other people.





I love it when smaller guys show some skill in fights! Sounds like the guy was pretty well rounded. Its amazing how well a simple strategy works to defend yourself. A simple straight blast and a little grappling knowledge will go a long way against the majority of average Joe’s.



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But the blast really stunned the guy and he nearly fell over before it was taken to the ground. He walked away with a bloody face, and the smaller guy had no visible damage. He didn't do a complete centerline blast, but got some face strikes in too.

Good stuff. The smaller guy was totally dominant and the blast was completely effective against a much larger opponent. It allowed him to do what it's intended for: throw him off balance, stun and take control.






That’s the idea. Again, a simple strategy is often more effective. Some people have talked smack about Vunak and PFS in recent years. While I don’t agree with everything that they do, Vunak does preach a simple (and effective) strategy for self defense that has been shown to work quite well.

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#262765 - 10/11/06 11:42 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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you nailed it. my brother and i were sparring and we decided to get a little bit harder for a lack of a better word we put on a helmet and began to move around i caught him in my blast and i ko him. now he is 5'10" 300lbs and fairly solid.i am not arguing that i or the straight blast is superior to anything just it works best for me. paul vunak is a bad man and his teachings are just that end the fight before your OP has a chance to display their skill.i trained under dave durch who was a student of paul vunak and i may be a little bias <spelling>
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#262766 - 10/15/06 07:54 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Mike_L]
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Hmm. this is a good question. Is it better to get many small powered punches in, or a few hard punches in?




Depends how hard a persons many small powered punches are?
Some one flicking a punch isnt going to bother anybody regardless how many are thrown?
I would rather be using many fast full powered punches.

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#262767 - 10/15/06 08:07 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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I would rather be using many fast full powered punches.



Which is the straight blast.
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#262768 - 10/18/06 03:49 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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I would rather be using many fast full powered punches.



Which is the straight blast.




Oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRLr41YdquA&mode=related&search=

So what is this?


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#262769 - 10/18/06 05:54 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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That is retarded, they never l;and a blow! what is that? They have skill and speed, but they never hit.
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#262770 - 10/18/06 06:25 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRLr41YdquA&mode=related&search=

So what is this?





A nice demonstration of rapid slap boxing without the contact.




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#262771 - 10/19/06 05:21 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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hehe, I just got the video of Paul Vanuks straight blast. Good Stuff.

Difference between WC chain punching and JKD straight blastis the alternate steps forward. IN WC they keep to a single stance lead leg stays forward, not much momentum. Straight blast you are actually walking in ad bulldosing the target off balance. Once he is off balance and falls out of range, then you switch to boxers punch.

Straight blast is not the be all of punching or ending fights, it's just a tool for the moment.
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#262772 - 10/19/06 08:21 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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I would rather be using many fast full powered punches.



Which is the straight blast.




Oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRLr41YdquA&mode=related&search=

So what is this?


Sorry andy. Try again
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#262773 - 10/19/06 12:30 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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cool is'nt it
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#262774 - 10/19/06 02:34 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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Fast indeed but no power at all. A flurry like that would be annoying but not KO threatening to anyone with a decent guard, jab and footwork. Better to throw a punch when someone's off guard than making them cover up with your flurry so you have less chance of landing a KO.


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#262775 - 10/19/06 04:00 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: 5353]
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I've got like all his series, except for the Attribute series vol. 1-5. I'm not sure if it's worth getting. I've also got a lot of Rick Young. I have some Inosanto stuff on kali, eskrima, knife fighting, double and single sticks, but Dan just seems like he's bored.

I think a big problem with straight blast and trapping is that many people do not really understand the actual use for it. Sure they see how it's aplied and it seems reall simple. But I don't think they understand when it is supposed to be used.

Traps are not supposed to be looked for, tey are different from blocks. Blocks from a distance which look lke traps are JKD movie stuff. Functional JKD traps are done in close range, not mid-range blocks and checks.

Straigt blast is not the finisher. It can be, infact any attack or technique can be a finishing move if it works. Straight blast is just something you use at the moment, it can lead to many other things. If the attacker raises their gaurd, you have no open up his mid and lower body. For leg and knee line shots. If the guy happens to fall backwards and fall, you now can go into ground and pound.

Straight blasts only work when your in close, you never begin your attack with it, you must cause a destruction first. And once your staight blast attack is finished you move on to your next attack.


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#262776 - 10/19/06 05:50 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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I would rather be using many fast full powered punches.



Which is the straight blast.




Oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRLr41YdquA&mode=related&search=

So what is this?


Sorry andy. Try again






A Fist -a- phobia builder it aint!! So that wasnt a straight blast?
more of an arm punch none blast?
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#262777 - 10/19/06 09:46 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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#262778 - 10/19/06 10:26 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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Now, how could a person defend against a straight blast?
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#262779 - 10/19/06 11:38 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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By putting up your gaurd or side stepping.
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#262780 - 10/20/06 12:26 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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I simply stepping forward at a forty five. Footwork is the key, as it usually is. What do you use to stop a straightline attack? you switch the angle.
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#262781 - 10/20/06 02:26 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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I can't see how step forward at 45 degrees would work when someone is comming in at you with straight blast. If someone comes in with a proper straight blast it's because they have gotten inside and now they are rushing you. It is to close and to quick to step in and successfullly avoid getting hit. On the other hand side stepping 90 degrees or cut 45 degrees to the back would work great.

I've never tried cut stepping in 45 while someone straight blast me, but I just can't see it working aswell as side step or back step 45.
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#262782 - 10/20/06 03:24 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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It's feasable. Its a good setup to the RNC. You must be able to anticipate the forwadr movement of the opponent.
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#262783 - 10/22/06 05:21 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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It's feasable. Its a good setup to the RNC. You must be able to anticipate the forwadr movement of the opponent.




Perhaps if you studied kata the answers to your problems on this thread might be answered.



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#262784 - 10/22/06 05:24 PM Re: Straight blast *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Chen Zen]
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#262785 - 10/22/06 08:04 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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why even post if you later erase it?

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#262786 - 10/22/06 08:30 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ed_Morris]
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why even post if you later erase it?




Because ED as far as I can see isnt that what the forum rules are? And why are you so concerned? Unless I am informed other wise by a moderator(of which you are not) I shall edit as I seem fit.

You are not a moderator are you?

So would you like to discuss the topic which I believe is the straight blast?

Thanks

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Hows the bag work?


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#262787 - 10/22/06 08:48 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Hey Andy -- you erased the wrong post though man! You SHOULD have erased the one where you suggested that Chen Zen should have studied kata.



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#262788 - 10/22/06 08:59 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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Hey Andy -- you erased the wrong post though man! You SHOULD have erased the one where you suggested that Chen Zen should have studied kata.



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Ok John I will try to keep my postings in order.

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#262789 - 10/22/06 09:00 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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Difference between WC chain punching and JKD straight blastis the alternate steps forward. IN WC they keep to a single stance lead leg stays forward, not much momentum. Straight blast you are actually walking in ad bulldosing the target off balance. Once he is off balance and falls out of range, then you switch to boxers punch.





I’ve also seen guys RUNNING in behind the straight blast! It’s definitely not the wing chun style. When you maintain that lead as those guys (WC) do, there isn’t enough speed behind it. When you’re actually fighting, guys MOVE man, lol. No one is going to stand there as you chain punch in behind that slow shuffle-step. You gotta HUSTLE!

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Straight blast is not the be all of punching or ending fights, it's just a tool for the moment.





DEFINITELY a tool for the moment. Well put.


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#262790 - 10/22/06 09:10 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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So, how EXACTLY (as best as you can out in in text form) do you straight blast? I mean maechanics, foot work, punching at multiple targets or one area, etc.
I think I got it but I'm not sure. I've been working on it hard (also the boxing blast has been a staple drill of mine now) but when I do it I almost charge my opponent kind of running throwing rapid straight punches alternate to the leg I'm stepping with, and I punch a several different targets. Is this about right?
Also, I have a problem with gettign nailed with groin kicks sometimes and straigth kicks both mid and low. What can I do to deal with this issue?
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#262791 - 10/22/06 09:59 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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I’ve also seen guys RUNNING in behind the straight blast! It’s definitely not the wing chun style. When you maintain that lead as those guys (WC) do, there isn’t enough speed behind it. When you’re actually fighting, guys MOVE man, lol. No one is going to stand there as you chain punch in behind that slow shuffle-step. You gotta HUSTLE!





I have seen this on UFC. Is this where they hit with the reverse hand while running forward?
If it is I think I have seen a few knockouts.

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#262792 - 10/22/06 10:00 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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It's feasable. Its a good setup to the RNC. You must be able to anticipate the forwadr movement of the opponent.




Perhaps if you studied kata the answers to your problems on this thread might be answered.






Man, thats rich! Phew! I almost got internal damage from that one. Though I couldnt say why, Im somehow compelled to ask you what "problems" do you think I have that kata could answer?
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#262793 - 10/22/06 10:02 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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It's feasable. Its a good setup to the RNC. You must be able to anticipate the forwadr movement of the opponent.




Perhaps if you studied kata the answers to your problems on this thread might be answered.






Man, thats rich! Phew! I almost got internal damage from that one. Though I couldnt say why, Im somehow compelled to ask you what "problems" do you think I have that kata could answer?






Hi Chen Zen.
Ok straight blast is that as per on some of the UFC's?
I think I have it on DVD somewhere. I will try to find the names of the two fighters.


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#262794 - 10/22/06 10:14 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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lost me buddy, what? What about the straight blast?
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#262795 - 10/22/06 10:23 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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lost me buddy, what? What about the straight blast?




Ok I think I might have at some time seen fighters in the UFC using the straight blast. I will look for the DVD and the fighters names.It would appear as though one was seemingly running forward while punching. Does that sound right?

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#262796 - 10/22/06 10:32 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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lost me buddy, what? What about the straight blast?




Ok I think I might have at some time seen fighters in the UFC using the straight blast. I will look for the DVD and the fighters names.It would appear as though one was seemingly running forward while punching. Does that sound right?



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#262797 - 10/22/06 10:32 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Yeah, Ive seen it. So?
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#262798 - 10/22/06 10:51 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ed_Morris]
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quote]lost me buddy, what? What about the straight blast?




Ok I think I might have at some time seen fighters in the UFC using the straight blast. I will look for the DVD and the fighters names.It would appear as though one was seemingly running forward while punching. Does that sound right?



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Ed. Hows the bag work? I have posted a lot tonight so it seems you might be busy?

Any thoughts on a straight blasts ed ?


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#262799 - 10/22/06 10:52 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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Yeah, Ive seen it. So?




So that is what you would term as a straight blast?

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#262800 - 10/22/06 11:00 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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That would depend on the particular example your talking about.
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#262801 - 10/22/06 11:12 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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That would depend on the particular example your talking about.




I will try to find the fighters names and the video and post it. From what I can remember the defender had no chance of stopping the punches.


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#262802 - 10/22/06 11:13 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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And so your point is that straight blast is unstoppable?
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#262803 - 10/22/06 11:18 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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And so your point is that straight blast is unstoppable?




I didn’t say that. From what I can remember the defender had no chance of stopping the punches in that specific fight. I have been looking at some peoples thoughts on a defence against a straight blast. But I will find and watch the video first.


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#262804 - 10/22/06 11:28 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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So after watching and "researching" various strategies what is your opinion exactly?
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#262805 - 10/22/06 11:57 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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So after watching and "researching" various strategies what is your opinion exactly?




Will let you know

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#262806 - 10/23/06 12:27 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Ed. Hows the bag work?



good thanks, hows making and posting your own video coming along?

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Any thoughts on a straight blasts ed ?



yup. it's not new. it just has a cooler name now.

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#262807 - 10/23/06 06:33 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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So after watching and "researching" various strategies what is your opinion exactly?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c8yKtgajww

This is what I was refering to. Is this what you would call straight blast.About 11 fights in Vitor Belfort I presume?

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#262808 - 10/23/06 07:09 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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lol...you really are a piece of work. keep watching videos andy, you'll be a fighter for da 5tr33t in no time.

on topic: the 'straight-blast' at 0:37 was cool.

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#262809 - 10/23/06 08:38 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ed_Morris]
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lol...you really are a piece of work. keep watching videos andy, you'll be a fighter for da 5tr33t in no time.

on topic: the 'straight-blast' at 0:37 was cool.




LOL. does that mean I am not already there?
Gee well I never! Well may my heavy bag be tied to a street light structure and may (nearly) all my sparring be shined upon by the light given off by the higher atomic orbital of electrons in the filament material of a standard street light.

Any how I presume that is what the JKD guys call a "straight blast"?

So to the topic "straight blast". Your thoughts then ED?

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#262810 - 10/23/06 09:59 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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ok, I'll bite. 'straight blast' works best against someone in retreat. maybe they haven't physically retreated yet, but you can tell by a hesitation that their mind is telling them to retreat. constant forward pressure usually isn't the smartest thing to do, but it works well in order to tip the psychological advantage your way that was starting when the opponent hesitated. why give them a chance to step back and regroup? overwhelm them with a constant forward assault before they have time to get it together. it works, but not when they are ready for it.

the tactic is called 'blitz'. it's not new. it's an oldie but goodie.

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#262811 - 10/23/06 11:59 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Ed_Morris]
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ok, I'll bite. 'straight blast' works best against someone in retreat. maybe they haven't physically retreated yet, but you can tell by a hesitation that their mind is telling them to retreat. constant forward pressure usually isn't the smartest thing to do, but it works well in order to tip the psychological advantage your way that was starting when the opponent hesitated. why give them a chance to step back and regroup? overwhelm them with a constant forward assault before they have time to get it together. it works, but not when they are ready for it.

the tactic is called 'blitz'. it's not new. it's an oldie but goodie.



I can see your point.
I think the one on the video is termed as a "boxing blast"
On the video Silvia has charged at Balfort with his hands so wide open a bus could get through. No defence what so ever. Balfort has hit Silvia with a back hand left then a right punching combination and Silvia had began to run backwards off balance with Balfort chasing and hitting until Balfort hit the cage.

Silvia should have had a better guard. And why did he go charging in like that with no cover?
What could Silvia do after the first punch to stop further punching? Nothing. He was stunned and overwhelmed so running back wards was his survival mode.



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#262812 - 10/23/06 12:10 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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hehe, I just got the video of Paul Vanuks straight blast. Good Stuff.




Hi there.
So what would you say is the difference between Paul Vanuks straight blast. and the one posted on the cage fight video?.

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#262813 - 10/23/06 05:49 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Well the video was removed for copyright infringement before I could see it. Sure, the straight blast works on a retreating opponent. Sometimes it works on an opponent who is pressuring forward, but weakly. However, be all end all, hardly. Also Andy, there is a difference in what is called a straight blast and a boxing blast. The latter taking the place of the former in the JKD curriculum.
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#262814 - 10/23/06 10:44 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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So, how EXACTLY (as best as you can out in in text form) do you straight blast? I mean maechanics, foot work, punching at multiple targets or one area, etc.
I think I got it but I'm not sure. I've been working on it hard (also the boxing blast has been a staple drill of mine now) but when I do it I almost charge my opponent kind of running throwing rapid straight punches alternate to the leg I'm stepping with, and I punch a several different targets. Is this about right?
Also, I have a problem with gettign nailed with groin kicks sometimes and straigth kicks both mid and low. What can I do to deal with this issue?




My qustion still stands for anyone who would like to answer.
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#262815 - 10/23/06 10:59 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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So, how EXACTLY (as best as you can out in in text form) do you straight blast? I mean maechanics, foot work, punching at multiple targets or one area, etc.
I think I got it but I'm not sure. I've been working on it hard (also the boxing blast has been a staple drill of mine now) but when I do it I almost charge my opponent kind of running throwing rapid straight punches alternate to the leg I'm stepping with, and I punch a several different targets. Is this about right?
Also, I have a problem with gettign nailed with groin kicks sometimes and straigth kicks both mid and low. What can I do to deal with this issue?




My qustion still stands for anyone who would like to answer.


I thought someone would give a stab at it. Since not, Ill give it a go. You did a fairly good job yourself. The footwork is more important than any other aspect of the technique. It must charge forward and it must be fast to be successful. If you are getting kicked without your opponent moving offline then either your footwork is too slow or you engaged at too far away. Also from your description it sounded as if you moved with one leg forward the whole time. This isnt good. While much JKD emphasizes a strong forward this isnt an absolute. Nothing is. So the way you would ideally work it would be out of your "ready" stance. This will likely resemble a modified boxers stance. To attack you, your opponent must come to you. This is a directional committment. Once he has comitted by stepping forwards or back meet him and intercept with the first strike of the blast. This is important.I would never follow up with another shot if this isnt achieved. Now you have landed the blow, accelerate forward alternating shots making sure to get good torque in your shots. Im a headhunter myself but you could also use a body shot after the intial hit. Get close and attack his center hard and fast and its likely that he will fall. Giving you optimum positioning.
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#262816 - 10/24/06 04:12 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Hi Storm. Sounds like you are training hard and getting good training advise.




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Well the video was removed for copyright infringement before I could see it. Sure, the straight blast works on a retreating opponent. Sometimes it works on an opponent who is pressuring forward, but weakly. However, be all end all, hardly. Also Andy, there is a difference in what is called a straight blast and a boxing blast. The latter taking the place of the former in the JKD curriculum.




So the JKD curriculum now uses the boxing blast.
I have been reading a book by Sifu Lamar M. Davis.
a lot of what he says makes good sense.
But that is going somewhat off topic.

Thanks

Andy


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#262817 - 10/24/06 09:10 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: ANDY44]
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Well the video was removed for copyright infringement before I could see it. Sure, the straight blast works on a retreating opponent. Sometimes it works on an opponent who is pressuring forward, but weakly. However, be all end all, hardly. Also Andy, there is a difference in what is called a straight blast and a boxing blast. The latter taking the place of the former in the JKD curriculum.




So the JKD curriculum now uses the boxing blast.



Primarily yes, though not exclusively.

edited to fix quote


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#262818 - 10/24/06 06:51 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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So start the blast when he engages me, using quick forward movement or when he moves back a little? And I think you're right, I tend to engage with the blast from quite a way back, like several feet. I think that's my problem, and I'm still a bit slow.
Yep Andy, training is going pretty well, although I dont get to spar hard nearly enough anymore as my best partners aren't around right now. I just did a few rounds of sparring for a half hour the other night with a friend of mine, and we went very hard, but it was the first time in weeks I think.
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#262819 - 10/24/06 08:00 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Yes thats right. Its a little trickier when he is moving backwards as it makes for more ground to make up. To set it up on the retreat without getting hit you must have a serious attack directed at him. Preferably one that has landed. For example, lets say you are sparring and working the other guys legs pretty good. He will take notice of this after a few shots and if he is trained well enough then he will do one of two things. He will raise the leg to absorb the blow or he will step back. If he is real good he will move forward but thats another discussion. Anyways, fake one, and when he goes to absorb the blow or to evade it, already have your mind made up to advance upon him. This works alot. Especially if he is taking the impact by raising his leg. Before he can move away from the blast he must put his foot back down. This is his mistake. Abuse it to destroy his balance or at least get a few solid shots in.
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#262820 - 10/25/06 11:14 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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Hey that's a great tactic, I use it pretty often to. I use usually just fake one low kick to the legs then sort of jump forward and come down on him over his guard with punches. It's been pretty effective.
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#262821 - 10/29/06 07:25 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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What happens when the other guy simply covers up on oyur straigth blast and you cant get in? Do you just switch to hooks, uppercuts and grappling or what?
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#262822 - 10/29/06 07:29 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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The straight blast is designed to close the distance. Think of it as "cover fire". Once you've closed that distance, you can clinch. If he's covering up, he's not striking you. You have some options: You can run. You can clinch and throw knees. You can take him down.


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#262823 - 10/29/06 11:41 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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Ah gotcha. If your opponent has a good guard, whats the best way to get around it, or through it if need be?
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#262824 - 10/30/06 07:37 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Some would say that's where the "trapping" comes in. Conceptually this is correct. If they're covering up on the blast (hands come up to shield) you would have to "remove the obstruction", thus "trapping".

However that works in theory and doesn't usually play out in practice as nice and tidy as it does when people teach it in training. That’s because people resist more in fighting application than they do when you’re in “learning mode”. You have to take it “live” and go against someone really sparring you back.

One thing I've noticed is the straight blast while fast, doesn't really generate a lot of power. This is why many are using the boxing blast now. Either way, when you blast and come in on your opponent, you will be in the clinch. Thus it’s important to have a good clinch game, because that's where you'll be fighting from that point on. This is particularly true when you are using it against a worthy opponent.

Again, the best use of the straight blast is as a offensive, defense. Use it as cover-fire as you’re closing the distance to get INTO the clinch (unless you are using it to create an avenue for escape). Thus you will be entering the clinch as an objective and not just having it “happen” coincidentally.

One strategy is to blast into the clinch and look for the muay Thai plumm position or an underhook and collar tie (“pinch”). Once there begin throwing knees. For self-defense, grab their hair (if they have any) and use the grip as you would a plumm. Throw knees to the face or groin and not the mid-section.

If they’re wearing a jacket (or even a shirt if you can grab it), grab the material behind the neck and use THAT for control (hockey style). Pull the material up over his head as you have him bent forward. Throw knees. Pull him straight down or twist him to the pavement and hit a knee-ride or run away.




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#262825 - 10/30/06 10:09 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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See I think I've been blasting at the wrong time. I just start blasting right from the get go rather than setting it up and using it propery. There's one of my issues.
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#262826 - 10/30/06 11:46 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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How is the boxing blast more powerful and effective?
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#262827 - 10/31/06 12:32 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Harder to defend. instead of just straights you have to dodge more angles.
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#262828 - 10/31/06 11:15 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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So how do oyu do a boxing blast?
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#262829 - 11/01/06 02:33 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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With Boxing punches. hooks and uppercuts.
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#262830 - 11/07/06 02:44 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Chen Zen]
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I dont know, I do better generally with a good straight blast. I dont see how the boxing blast is better, as a straight blast is faster punching.
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#262831 - 11/07/06 05:37 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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I dont know, I do better generally with a good straight blast. I dont see how the boxing blast is better, as a straight blast is faster punching.





Its less powerful and you're often higher up (though not necessarily). The elbows are down when throwing vertical punches, etc.

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#262832 - 11/07/06 05:48 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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True but the punches in a straight blast are faster, and done properly, can still have great power, when combined with good footwork. I guess the bottom line is for me it works better. With a boxing blast, I take far more hits. But whatever works for you.
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#262833 - 11/08/06 05:43 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the vertical blast doesn't have a place because I believe it does (when used properly).

Like anything, skill is the primary factor. Timing is necessary for this to work but it certainly can be effective.


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#262834 - 11/08/06 10:10 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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Can't the straight blast be odne with horizontal fists?
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#262835 - 11/09/06 06:45 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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It could, but then you're talking more about the boxing blast!

The boxing blast is performed by throwing a jab/cross that after the initial jab, turns into all crosses (because of footwork placing each hand to the rear).

You drop your chin (and level slighly) and plow straight forward throwing those right down the centerline just as you would the vertical blast.

The effect generates more power (because you're throwing crosses) but is a little slower in terms of overall hand speed.

Which you perform is a matter of preference.



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#262836 - 11/09/06 05:22 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: JKogas]
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Eh, I like both I guess. Either way, I like the whole concept, it's been working very well for me.
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#428638 - 07/27/10 04:45 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Ames]
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Had to bring this back as I've been working the straight blast pretty regularly again. No matter how many times I try to apply it the boxing blast never feels right and never works all that well. The RAT style straight blast works fantastic however.
Jkogas-the boxing blast may work for some for the straight blast is definitely better for others and very effective. I put as much energy into the punches as possible but I try not to look at them so much as damage dealers in and of themselves as much as distraction and "suppressive fire" in a way allowing me to move in and get the opponent on the ground or open up elbows and knees. That being the case, the slight lack of power really doesn't matter much.nobodyan stop my blast once I start.
That's actually one of only a handful of tactics that I find to be effective for me. I also have found that it can sometimes work to end a blast with a lead hook. Just some thoughts. Anyone else been working these tactics lately?
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#428639 - 07/27/10 06:11 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Stormdragon]
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Oh yeah, are you supposed to change your lead with every movement forward? Because when I blast I only switch leads (i.e. step forward with the rear foot) every couple shuffles or so, if that. Otherwise the same foot stays forward most of the time.
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#428672 - 07/28/10 03:32 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Stormdragon]
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LOL, when did you start doing the RAT? Before you entered the military you were starting to get really into Nick Cerio's kenpo system. Looks like you've evolved.

If you don't change your stance your not really doing the straight blast, your doing it more the wing chun way of chain punching. I personally like to run into my opponents. Remember the blast is all about pressure. Really blast in there and pressure the guy so he gets off balance. Then go into your clinch or take down.

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#428673 - 07/28/10 03:33 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: dicen]
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That last post was mines...I dunno why it logged me in as my brothers account. Someone should look into this.
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#428676 - 07/28/10 04:13 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: TeK9]
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1. People are sometimes known to do more than one are at a time.
2. I was into NCK for a bit less than a year as a high school junior than moved.
3. I saw it, I liked it, now I'm working it. Along with Army combatives (hoping for level 2 soon). Essentially mma.
4. Ah I see, I guess I do a little bit of a cross between the two because I don't exactly run into them but I change m ystance ever few punches (if it even takes a few to get inside).
Guess it's not really a true blast. Works though.
I really like using jabs off of a side step and low kicks to set it up. Or just go in after they start to retract off of a punch. I can't get that running thing to feel smooth. It's like my hands move way faster than my feet and it messes up my timing.
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#428677 - 07/28/10 04:15 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Stormdragon]
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Another issue I have when I DO try to run into them like that is that I end up over extending my body and essentially off balancing myself. It feels like I have too little control.
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#428678 - 07/28/10 04:21 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Stormdragon]
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The overal mindset and strategy makes a lot of sense being a soldier. I would probably never actually use it in battle (there is no reason why a soldier should ever be completely unarmed) especially with so much gear but it fits with the military pretty well. It seems all about suprise and then overwhelming force (in that order) which I love (suprise as far using movement to create opportunities to blast, using feints, letting them hit then retract and moving upon that retraction).
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#428739 - 07/30/10 09:52 AM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: Stormdragon]
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You gotta break it down. Practice your sprints. Drill those mini 10 foot dashes. It's the only way your going to feel comfortable with the straight blast. I mean it doesn't really matter which way you do it as long as it works for you. But you can always improve on things, ya know. As long as you put pressure down that person's center line it's all good.

You said you like straight blasting off the persons jab when they retract it? Have you been working your entry's? Destroying the jab or intercepting with a jab or thigh kick of your own before going into the blast?
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#428745 - 07/30/10 03:55 PM Re: Attn MOD: SPAM [Re: TeK9]
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I tend to use more body movement to avoid their strikes and as they start to bring it back I blast. I don't use destructions all that much, a litte bit but normally when I block I use a variation on the crazy monkey blocking system. Another thing Ido is, imgine opening your hands in front of you at face level, thumbs touching ad extending forward a bit (sort f like the Spear). I use that against most jabs and straight rights/lefts.
I do include a lot of fast, low front and thigh kicks to set up the blast as well. Fo example if they use a straight right I'll maybe deflect with that Spear thing (with a slight side step usually), shift to my back foot and thow a low front kick and blast off tht.
I don't really seek out destructions, but if they happen than great. They work fine if you connect but that canbe tough to pull off.
My thigh kick is usually with my front leg unless I'm trying to actually hurt their thigh. If I blast off a kick the kick is mostly a distraction. I use a lot of different things for my entries I see no reason to just go for destructions honestly.
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#429673 - 09/05/10 11:05 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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I believe the cornerstone of JKD is the ability to intercept. That is what many of the top JKD instructors explained to me when I interviewed them. You can check out some of the interviews I've done with top JKD instructors at http://www.JKDnewsletter.com

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#430418 - 10/11/10 04:51 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: trexeden@yahoo.c]
Stormdragon Offline
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Anyone tried a MT cut kick against a SB?
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#430446 - 10/13/10 08:25 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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I wouldn't recommend any kick to counter a SB. Straight blast is all about forward pressure directed at the opponent center line. What's more important SB must be done at the right moment. Immediately following a destruction.
Lifting your leg while being on the receiving end of an SB will take you off balance making it easier for the guy Straight Blasting you.

This of course is the first 2 methods coming out of the RAT fight model. The point here is not to trade blows. It's about putting an immediate end to a physical altercation.

But if your just sparring trading blow for blow then I suppose the guy is not throwing his SB after a destruction or interception. Then I suppose you could counter with a cut kick. But then again this isn't really a SB done properly.

Storm,

I checked out the link to your gym. That place looks sick. And I can't believe how low the gym fee's are. I've never seen such low rates for a top of the line facility like that. How is the owner expected to stay afloat? His bills must be high. I want a studio just like that.
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#430450 - 10/14/10 12:23 AM Re: Straight blast [Re: TeK9]
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I know what you're getting at and the difference with the cut kick is that, you first bring your lead foot slightly closer (the movement is at an angle) closer to your rear foot, step of line with the rear kick and THEN actually kick (when you're off to the opponents side). That's the only kick I can see working against a SB.

As for our gym being able to stay up with those rates, I suppose it has something to do with the fact that the guy who actually owns the place (my instructor rents from him which helps too I, we bring in a whole different group of people which equals more money) makes bank as an anesthesiologist.

My instructor only needs 25 students to pay the rent (which is easy I think he has close to that now and he's only been officially open for a few weeks). My instructor does fine for himself thanks to the massive amount of reffing he does, the occasional fights (he won 3 out of 5 fights last week in Georgia)and he just got off 10 months in Afghanistan so you can bet he has tons of money to blow from that. Perfect time to start something like this. I'm loving the place. If circumstances permit I'll be here for a good long while.
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#430486 - 10/16/10 05:42 PM Re: Straight blast [Re: Stormdragon]
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I gotta tell you (and this has nothing to do with countering the SB)...I rarely do the straight blast anymore, preferring instead to do the boxing blast. And then it's only at certain times; such as when my opponent is trying to escape the clinch. The boxing blast can be used to safely regain the clinch, which moving forward with "cover fire". Since a person is moving backward (backing out of the clinch), this is the perfect time for it.

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