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#262351 - 06/12/06 08:04 PM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: Leo_E_49]
wristtwister Offline
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Registered: 02/14/06
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"I want patience and I want it right now!"

I paid particular attention tonight to what I taught and what the students did, just to record the results for you, and it's more like they are up for "doing what they know" rather than following the instructions. I gave clear instructions for very simple techniques and had a cornucopia of different variations done by the students... not one of which was exactly what I taught them to do.

It was on every technique, and it wasn't even close to what was shown to them. I don't think it's a hearing problem or a problem of understanding, it's a problem following instructions.

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#262352 - 06/12/06 09:30 PM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: wristtwister]
eyrie Offline
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There is much to be said for "traditional" teaching methods. My teachers would say very little and let you play. They'd come around and demonstrate on you some and then let you discover for yourself what they meant. Maybe one day you'll figure out what they meant. So much for patience.

Yep, I dunno what the answer is... :P

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#262353 - 06/13/06 12:37 AM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: eyrie]
kunin Offline
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The following aphorism from Kung Fu-tze (Confucius) seems to sum up traditional attitudes rather neatly: "I do not open up the truth to one who is not eager to get knowledge, nor help out any one who is not anxious to explain himself. When I have presented one corner of a subject to any one, and he cannot from it learn the other three, I do not repeat my lesson."

The Analects. Internet Classics Archive, http://classics.mit.edu/Confucius/analects.2.2.html ...
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#262354 - 06/13/06 12:38 AM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: eyrie]
oldman Offline
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Based on peoples comments I think it's pretty safe to say that the hardest thing to teach someone is something they "already know".

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#262355 - 06/13/06 12:48 AM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: oldman]
eyrie Offline
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Damn... well put oldman.

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#262356 - 06/13/06 12:16 PM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: oldman]
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Oldman, you nailed it, but it's not something they already know... it's something they think they know, but don't. If they did know it, they wouldn't constantly have to change to what the instructions are.

I had one student last night that I must have told thirty times "don't fold their hand backwards" (doing sankyo) "keep it vertical". Every time I looked, they had the uke's hand folded backwards trying to spiral their wrist.

That's why I changed my signature on the boards. It would be nice if they would follow the instructions when they're given rather than trying every other option first.

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#262357 - 09/05/06 11:26 PM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: wristtwister]
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#262358 - 09/09/06 02:54 PM Re: What's the hardest thing to teach? [Re: wristtwister]
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Wrist,

Think of some of the recent “Aikido doesn’t work” or the “X vs. Y” threads. They all have a similar theme, if it’s not Neanderthal – grunt and hit with stick and rock - fighting it must not work – cuz after all who would just stand there with their arm out? It could be attributed to instant gratification, patients any number of things. I would say what it all boils down to, is your art requires appreciation of the subtleties so IMO it’s the same as trying to explain a sun rise to someone who wont open their eyes.

I run into similar issues with Hapkido, just trying to get them to relax, step correctly, hell I would be happy if they could just get the wrist position correct, it’s one of those things that – again IMO – some people get and some people don’t – even if it is something they REALLY want to do.

Just my .02
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