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#262039 - 06/20/06 07:08 PM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Mike_L]
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Nice and simple is the way to go.

Note, the single, double and triple roundhouse combos are interchangeable and are intended to throw your opponent off balance. If executed correctly at speed, it's very difficult to predict which combo is coming. (This is a psychological tactic as well as a physical one) The actual roundhouses are not intended as point scoring, they are there as "slight of hand" to conceal a potential knock-out move. I tend to aim for a KO rather than winning by points.

The final combo exploits a TKDer's tendency to clinch to avoid close range fighting. The punch is intended to get them to step back and stun them so you can place a back kick neatly on the hogu.

The large number of slipping comes from my personal style, I also like to switch to southpaw during combos to throw my opponent off balance. Being ambidextrous is something many TKD schools advocate and should be taken advantage of.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (06/20/06 07:20 PM)
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#262040 - 06/21/06 09:48 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Leo

What kind of movement is slip? When you slip in what are you doing? Since we are all TKDer's we should standardize some of the technques in english so we can all be on the same page.

I created a thread that I think pretty much explains all the foot work used in TKD fom sport to self defense. Perhaps we can use that as a base or we can change some of the ones I put up to meet your terms.

What's a slip?

In boxing when the boxer slips a punch that means he ducks under a punch. Slip in bxing means to duck. It's a ducking motion bending the upper body at the hips and ducking a punch by slipping under it to either the left or right side.
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#262041 - 06/21/06 09:54 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Mike_L]
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Mike when you said you countered the guys running kick with a jump back kick, you can just say "counter back kick" because we can assume that you did a slight hop or jump.

Counter back kick.

Just like round kick can just be called roundhouse. What might be hard to define ior to name are those multiple kicks. Like doubles and tripple kicks. Even though they are seperate kicks they are done as one kick.

Seperate kick combo: Low roundhouse, low roundhouse, high round house.

Combination triple kick: low, low, high triple kick.

Do you guys understand the difference between the 2? Gets tricky when you can't demonstrate it. Uless we find some clips.
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#262042 - 06/21/06 09:57 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Mike_L]
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Fadeaway double roundhouse kick. Okay I think I understand this one.

You did a counter double kick right? In response to his attack. For this one most of your weight is in the back so that your countering in a backwards motion correct?
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#262043 - 06/21/06 10:03 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: ChronicGMV]
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Turning step-in roundhouse kick is the easy version of tornado kick. It's how you first start off practicing it. Add the little hop in the turning step-in and then you have what is commmonly known as a tornado kick.

Traditionally in karate and in kung fu the tornado kick is done with the foots (inside)knife blade but to taekwondo practitioners this kick is called a crescent kick. We do the tornado kick with a roundhouse either using the ball of the foot or the instep.

Tornado kick
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#262044 - 06/21/06 10:27 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Mike_L]
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Whats a snap kick?

Isn't a snap kick for example when you do a roundhouse kick to a persons head and re-chamber your leg back? Instead of following through the target?

Is the snap kick not the opposite of a thrust kick?

A thrust kick meaning your commiting all of your weight to go through a target. An example of a thrust kick and a snap kick would be a Thrust front kick to kick a door down, and a snap front kick to kick a person in the groin.

Ofcourse you could always thrust kick a person in the groin aswell.
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#262045 - 06/21/06 10:47 AM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: TeK9]
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You said you intend to win by KO rather than points. Thats interesting. I don't compete, but I do spar a lot in Olympic style sparring. I try and look at each attack my opponent does as a seperate scenerio. That way I can apply sparring so it simulates a self defense scenerio. For instance if my opponent comes at me with a fast kick (lead leg roundhouse kick) and then throws a rear leg roundhouse. I figure I have to scoot back to avoid the first attack then step back to avoid the second attack then counter with an attack myself. This is a scenerio.

Now that one counter attack I do, I consider it to be my attack in self defense. In sparring my opponent is wearing a hogu, but in real life my attacker wont be wearing a hogu. So if I can score the rear leg roundhouse while sparring. I shold be able to knock the wind or break the ribs of my attacker in real life. Scenerio over.

Not only did I score a point in sparring for that small attack, but I also either winded my opponent in real life or broke some of his ribs. Giving me enough time to get away.

I break down the attacks when I spar as seperate scenerios, sometimes I am the victor and smetimes my oppoenent catches me when he attacks with multiple combinations.
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#262046 - 06/21/06 12:34 PM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: TeK9]
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Quote:

In boxing when the boxer slips a punch that means he ducks under a punch. Slip in bxing means to duck. It's a ducking motion bending the upper body at the hips and ducking a punch by slipping under it to either the left or right side.




Mistake with my terminology, I meant a bob and weave. It was past midnight when I posted this. I'm not sure what the TKD terminology for it is. I'll edit the original post.

Basically it's a sort of small side step to get you off the centre line of the opponent, forcing them to turn to face you. This often creates an opening for an entry or attack.

Edit: Oh dear, the time limit for editing has expired.

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You said you intend to win by KO rather than points. Thats interesting. I don't compete, but I do spar a lot in Olympic style sparring. I try and look at each attack my opponent does as a seperate scenerio. That way I can apply sparring so it simulates a self defense scenerio. For instance if my opponent comes at me with a fast kick (lead leg roundhouse kick) and then throws a rear leg roundhouse. I figure I have to scoot back to avoid the first attack then step back to avoid the second attack then counter with an attack myself. This is a scenerio.

Now that one counter attack I do, I consider it to be my attack in self defense. In sparring my opponent is wearing a hogu, but in real life my attacker wont be wearing a hogu. So if I can score the rear leg roundhouse while sparring. I shold be able to knock the wind or break the ribs of my attacker in real life. Scenerio over.

Not only did I score a point in sparring for that small attack, but I also either winded my opponent in real life or broke some of his ribs. Giving me enough time to get away.

I break down the attacks when I spar as seperate scenerios, sometimes I am the victor and smetimes my oppoenent catches me when he attacks with multiple combinations.




Firstly, I'd never do a kick above knee height in self defense. I consider them to be too risky.

You'd be surprised how a good attack run can throw an opponent off balance. As I said, the aim of the combo roundhouses is to fool the opponent and make him second guess himself. Believe me it's very difficult to counter attack those combos because it's hard to figure out when the KO hit is going to come.

Plus, the problem with counter hitting is that you lose the initiative and your opponent is controlling the situation. This is risky, rather than smart. Plus you mentioned that a roundhouse is a finishing move without a hogu, in which case, if any of my 1,2,3 roundhouses impacts, you're done for. I've got up to 3 times the chance of hitting that you do in this situation, plus I've always got a backup following.

This is about deception and trickery. This is about as dirty as TKD gets in competition. I also use various technique-taunts and feints to coax my opponents into doing something which they normally wouldn't and creating an opening for an attack. As you can see, this would not work from a point scoring perspective, because it weakens your offensive (for increased speed) forsaking it for the chance of a powerful KO technique which is hard to avoid.

My TKD sparring style stems from a tactical analysis, rather than an effective combination of techniques. It is also flexible to the situation, these combos are simply examples which work well in most cases.

Imho, this is TKD's best expression as a system, decieve your opponent, coax him into a mistake and exploit the advantage. Not pretty, but it gets the job done especially well against those guys who sit their bouncing waiting for you to attack their flawless defense.


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#262047 - 06/21/06 04:37 PM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: TeK9]
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A snap kick, is a front kick, where you snap the ball of your foot out and thrust your hips forward, than pull back slightly. It is an impact kick, where as the other type of front kick (push kick) is where you bring your knee into your chest, and push out with the heel, more of a knock down kick(or a kick, that pushes them back). You are correct, in your interpritation of the "jump back kick" as a counter back kick, and the fade away double as a "counter double"
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#262048 - 06/21/06 05:54 PM Re: Olympic TKD sparring combinations [Re: Mike_L]
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I agree, I use combinations, as a way to know what flows well into what technique, once you have gotten your opponenet where you want them,(by using foot work, fakes, movement, techniques, and so on) then I can apply combinations. You should not fight in a set patter, but adapt to the situation, in sparring, fighting, and self defense. Combinations, are just series of things, you can use in a set sparring condition that work well, and flow into each other. The technique you use could change suddenly, in order to adapt to another situation, combinations are not always used, but can be adapted to diffrent situations. They are still useful, because they can be trained and adapted to work in many situations, such as attacking, counter attacking, or as a setup.
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