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#261948 - 06/10/06 11:42 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: butterfly]
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What is the one capital virtue that no one can claim for themselves?

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#261949 - 06/10/06 11:44 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: oldman]
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BTW my wife and daughters are watching "Sweet Charity" as we speak.

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#261950 - 06/10/06 11:54 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: oldman]
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What is the one capital virtue that no one can claim for themselves?




Brotherly love? Although, aren't they all dependant on having an other, to reference them? Bubba Lee has a lot of humility compared to Sparky Luke....., etc.

Apologies if I am missing the point. I don't have a philosophical bone in my body, and probably shouldn't even be here.
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#261951 - 06/10/06 11:59 PM Re: Cultural values [Re: MattJ]
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Humility To claim it would disqualify you.

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#261952 - 06/11/06 12:07 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: oldman]
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Wait, what if you were Honestly Humble....and some guy asked this of you?

Wouldn't you be a liar if you said, "Nah, I ain't humble"?

So, humility is a virtue that you can't discuss....honestly?

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#261953 - 06/11/06 12:18 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: butterfly]
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People could talk about it but just try it... I am a very humble person...eeewww. Someone might say it of someone else but of themselves? Maybe Im wrong.

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#261954 - 06/11/06 12:23 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: oldman]
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Me thinks thou protests too much....and to damn with feint praise....

Well, well.

Yeah, I guess it would be too prideful to discuss one's humility. But how do you get out of it when someone asks you up front: "Hey, are you usually humble?"

I don't have that problem...not humble, but too ugly for anyone to care!

Hey, have a good one! And nice to see you popping up here once in awhile.

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#261955 - 06/11/06 12:43 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: butterfly]
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You bring up an interesting point with the cannabilism. However, you may also note that those societies (generally not all) had less "sexual immorality" and cannabilism was sort of a once in a while thing. Each place has its own unique faults




Speedy, again, whose to say that their sexual proclivities are immoral or not? This is a subjective view proscribed by your sensibilities, not theirs.

The comments that you are making, if you are not aware of it with respect to other cultures and their morals... and in the conext of the Japanese statements, are too general to count and are ethnocentric.

What you are doing is using your experience as a baramoter to judge others and what is, or is not, construed as acceptable behavior.

This is my point of relativisim. You have to be within a particular culture in order to define its moral limitations and attributes. If you are exclusive to it, then what you say is only measured against your accepted norms and thus holds little water with regards to the inhabitants of these societies...since you can leave and are not impacted by the forces in that culture to act a certain way for acceptance within that society.

You know the saying, Judge not lest ye be judged.

No harm or foul, but you gotta be a player on the team to yell at the coach.

-B




Well actually everything I stated about the Japanese part of my post is basically a quote/paraphrase of what my Japanese friends say. At my school I work with the Japanese club and many of them are students from Japan and they say that when I ask them to compare other places with Japan. They actually complain about that aspect of their culture, and actually in the music industry in Japan a lot of people are trying to send a message in their songs against that way.

I'm not judging the Japanese, I'm trusting what they all tell me (and I never heard anyone from Japan say different)

As for the subjectivity - if you want to play subjective then there are no morals and everyone is right in their situation since their actions are based on their thinking and so no one is wrong.

IE most would agree that murder is wrong but how many duels were perfectly okay and not considered murder throughout history?
And to a more extreme subjective idea, if I think that killing someone who looks at me wrong is the "moral" thing to do and tolerable, then would it be "okay" for me to kill?

So if you want to be sujective there are no morals and anyone who says so is brainwashed by cutlure and society.

Which of course isn't true.

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#261956 - 06/11/06 12:46 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: butterfly]
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Humility isn't considered a virtue by all societies - some see it as weakness, and favor boldness as a virtue.

But you're right - it's very hard to discuss one's own humility honestly - I've seen people do it but it's kind of awkwardly stated and only after years of knowing them.

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#261957 - 06/11/06 12:51 AM Re: Cultural values [Re: SpeedyGonzales]
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IE most would agree that murder is wrong but how many duels were perfectly okay and not considered murder throughout history?




A duel is not murder. It is a contest to death. Both participants consent to the outcome. It is more akin to Suicide but that is a different argument.

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