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#261160 - 06/08/06 04:50 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: trevek]
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I say good for them! Maybe they'll dispense with the impression that all us programmer-types are pencil necked geeks. Hey, I've had coworkers I'd LOVE to beat on - haven't you?
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#261161 - 06/08/06 04:51 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: trevek]
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well I enjoy sparring hard. But when you get to the point of broken bones, etc. Its ridiculous. If they need to get out some anger, buy a punching bag. I would never find myself in something like that.

Now I don't want to generalize, but, as anyone knows going into the software industry is hard and the engineers work even harder to get through college. THey worked hard through high school, middle school. They are the smart kids, who are sometimes labeled as "nerds, dorks, etc.."

This violent outbreak in their 30's could be something that built up, because as they grew they had their heads in books but saw that the other guys were getting the girls and having all the fun... I know that has to be fustrating.

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#261162 - 06/09/06 04:37 AM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: jnpnshr411]
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I'm currently a software developer who worked straight through school, a physics degree and three years of terrible jobs. I took up a martial art.

It's the chap who said he fantasises about hurting people who concerns me.
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#261163 - 06/11/06 12:30 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: ThomsonsPier]
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"Gints Klimanis, a 37-year-old software engineer and martial arts instructor , started the invitation-only "Gentlemen's Fight Club"

Dear God in heaven.

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#261164 - 06/12/06 02:40 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: trevek]
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I'm an IT-geekette and train Krav Maga. I especially enjoy sparring...

Do the psychoanalysis... ;-)
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#261165 - 06/12/06 02:53 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: tuxette]
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Psychoanalysis aside. IMO, this is a tragedy. To use MA in this manner is a disgrace to the MA community and there is no honor in this. Sad indeed.

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#261166 - 06/12/06 03:09 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: Yattan]
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True enough.

If they really need to get things out of their system (I know very well they do) they should train properly under controlled conditions. Not make dumbasses of themselves like this...
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#261167 - 06/12/06 03:29 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: tuxette]
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People - there was already a video of this same group posted on this forum (can't remeber where, don't wanna take time to find), but then we were laughing along with them. Why the change in tone?
I have a different take on this, and it coincides with some of the philosophies you will hear from Guro Crafty of the Dog Brothers. The American Male is in a state of total pussification. All machismo, chest beating and smack talking aside, the average of us have been relegated to droney, out of shape provider/consumers with no real grasp of our nature. Fortunately, I didn't grow up like these guys and i feel pretty in touch with my "animal" attributes. But these guys haven't tasted it. Now, I'm an equalitist when it comes to gender politics, but I do think that the male identity has somehow become cheapened and subdued in the modern age. We are still by nature hunters, warriors etc. but we are taught from a young age that we are consumers, students, professional cubicle dwellers and subsequently lose touch with our own inner selves. I prefer the controlled atmosphere of a gym/dojo/kwoon whatever, but I haven't always. Groups of guys who get together to enjoy eachother's company by beating the crap out of eachother is nothing new - and it's probably very liberating for the "geek" crowd to not have that visceral experience tainted by the football jocks, muscle heads, bullies and other assorted testosterone over-dosers. Besides, what these guys are doing isn't unlike many kali groups I've seen who operate outside of schools.
Now I will agree that these guys energy could be better challenged through real training. The mental challenge of learning a TMA or the physical demands of training MMA are severely lacking from what these guys do. I'm surprised none of them ever said "hey, let's go train in some jiu jitsu and THEN come back and fight!" They may be numbing up their bodies, but they'll never up their game.
I'm not trying to put anyone's opinions down or preach here, but just consider the fact that america has become a place with an 80% obesity rate and 67% of the 25-35 yo male crowd's long term goals are "to have a stable career, house and family that I can provide for". Can you blame the natives for feeling restless?

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#261168 - 06/12/06 04:16 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
tuxette Offline
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Registered: 11/17/05
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I find the use of the word "pussification" rather offensive here. The problems American (and a lot of other I suppose) men have these days have very little to do with "becoming women" or "being controlled by women", although it seems like it's always been popular to blame women...

In my time at school, boys got to be little animals on the playground. Getting out all their aggression and the such. We all did - we actually had gym class and no pop machines in the building. Now days you have a lawsuit for every scratch a kid gets, kids get thrown in jail for fighting (and tried as adults if they scratch the other kid) etc. etc... and then of course the buy-buy-buy eat-eat-eat pushed on them, so that they can be fat and happy with their video games...

It's still mostly men writing the laws, controlling the police and courts, controlling the businesses that spread obesity directly or indirectly...

Save "pussification" comments for the guy whose wife won't let him leave the house to watch the game at the pub who doesn't tell her to [censored] off, OK?
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#261169 - 06/12/06 04:57 PM Re: computer hard-men? [Re: tuxette]
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Hmm, I guess the use of one strong and questionable word got my message mixed up on that one - I apologize. I'm actually saying pretty much the same thing you are besides that. I'm also a little reverse-offended because I was raised with a fierce respect for women and most of the strong and influential figures in my life have all been women. But you don't know me, so there's no way you could know that. My point still remains though that these guys wanted to know if they're something more than consumer-cattle in an endless cycle of serfdom. This is how they found it, and I say good for them - at least they're looking. Now, I would like to see a few girls show up and kick their a$$3$...

"It's still mostly men writing the laws, controlling the police and courts, controlling the businesses that spread obesity directly or indirectly..."

- more than agreed. I've had a problem with this my whole life. People will say "that's just reality" - bs. There's a difference between a transitive and intransitive reality and this kind of "fact" is definitely the former.

Again, sorry if I hacked you off. I meant no disrespect, but I also can't stand seeing a bunch of blanket-criticisms leveled at people who aren't that different from ourselves.

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