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#260920 - 06/06/06 04:24 PM Getting too skinny
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First of all, I'd like to say thanks to everyone on this forum who has given me advice for exercises, it has worked great. I have gained a lot of strength by doing the 5*5, and I'm gaining my six pack by doing cardio. But everyone around me is noticing how skinny I have become, I lost 10 pounds in 3 months.
I want to look bigger, but I don't want to lose my punching or kicking speed, I was contemplating on doing the 5*8 sets, do you guys think that it would suit my goals? Keep in mind that I don't want to become slow.


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#260921 - 06/06/06 05:40 PM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Alex89]
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not being funny, but by gaining a six pack, you have to be skinny by default- low fat levels are what give you the definition, but this will be all over, including your face and neck- the areas most people first notice when you have lost weight.

If you are now where you want to be condition wise, weight yourself, and make sure you are eating 2 gramms of protein per kilo of bodyweight, per day.

If you actually post your weekly training as it stands, including MA, weights and cardio, then i am sure you will get some usefull feedback
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#260922 - 06/06/06 06:42 PM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Cord]
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But Cord, some huge guys still have low body fat as you can see their defined abs. How do we put on almost only muscle? Is it by an extremely strict diet that the average Joe wouldnt partake in?
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#260923 - 06/07/06 01:03 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Ayub]
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buff up more before you go for the 6pack

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#260924 - 06/07/06 03:09 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Ayub]
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But Cord, some huge guys still have low body fat as you can see their defined abs. How do we put on almost only muscle? Is it by an extremely strict diet that the average Joe wouldnt partake in?




firstly you need to define 'huge'- if you are talking about WWE wrestlers/pro bodybuilders, then they have chemical help, so its a different playing field.

if you are talking about something like Vin Diesel, or mens Health cover model, then its a combination of good genetics and what you said- strict adherence to great eating habits and vigorous training.

If it was easy, everyone would look like them. Its not.

my advice on protein (above post) was to ensure that any catabolism ceases. Many who aim for the 6 pack reduce their nutritional intake to an extent that the body wastes muscle. 2g per kilo of bodyweight is more than enough to ensure lean bodyweight maintenance, and also about right to supply the requirements for muscle growth as and when his workout addresses that as a goal.

the trick is not to get caught in the 'bulk n' cut' cycle of training for mass with no consideration for escalating bodyfat in the process, followed by drastic fat burning training that breaks down any muscle you have just built under the flab. Its just yo-yo dieting under a different name, and has all the negative effects on the metabolism and general health associated with the viscious circle of sporadic dieting.

Which sounds better?:

Gaining 4lbs of muscle in a year, while maintaining lower bodyfat and keeping your eating and training balanced, consistent and healthy.

or

Eating for two, dropping your cardio to almost zero and lifting like a crazy man- putting on 18lbs (fat & muscle combination), then after 8 months dropping your food intake, cranking up your cardio, and burning fat and muscle away to be left around 4lbs heavier than where you started a year earlier.

Bulking is training the ego. your weight goes up quickly, your measurements increase quickly, your friends say things like 'jeez, your filling out!'. You can eat huge meals and not feel guilty, you can lay off the sunday morning cardio sessions and kid yourself its a good thing.
Its not. You are filling out because you are getting fat.
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#260925 - 06/07/06 06:19 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Cord]
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So is doing intensive cardio one day, and intensive weights the next, with a high protein - regular sized diet like this yoyo you speak of?

'bulk n' cut' cycle of training = Concentrating on eating loads and lifting loads to gain both fat and muscle. Then losing the fat, and some muscle with intensive cardio afterwards. Is this correct?
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#260926 - 06/07/06 06:25 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Cord]
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Can't say I agree with you there Cord... I mean, the problem with bulking isn't with the concept per se, it's with how people abuse it. I'm always seeing these fat guys cramming pop tarts and saying they're 'on a bulk' - it's possible to increase your calories without letting everything go to pot. The main problem with bulking cycles, is that people guys think "oh, I'll just eat everything in sight, do no cardio, and lift weights - the more weight I gain the better!" This is obviously wrong, but it doesn't mean that bulking doesn't work.

I'll just talk about what I'm doing right now as an example of bulking that works - I've put on 11 lbs, almost entirely muscle, in a month. I eat 5-6 times a day, relatively healthy meals, drink plenty of water, and use milk for some extra, easy to ingest, calories. I'm not eating a ridiculous amount, but enough that I stay anabolic throughout the day. I may not be *as* cut as I was a month ago, but frankly there's very little difference (I still have a six-pack), it still falls within the acceptable <12% bf criteria I set at the start - hell, I'm nearer 10% anyway! I think that my experience proves that it is possible to gain relatively large amounts of muscle fast, without any supplementation (I'm not taking anything), meaintain a healthy lifestyle, and not bloat like Ronnie Coleman in the off season Of course, anecdotal evidence could make this the exception rather than the rule - I might just be lucky with the genetics (severe mesomorph as it is).

Anyway, looking too skinny... well, as COrd says, keep up your protein intake. If you can't get it through chicken/fish etc., then it's time to look at a protein shake, but don't bother unless you really can't get it any other way. The other thing that's worth looking at is how you distribute your calories throughout the day. Do you eat too little for breakfast, and too much for supper? Breakfast is an important meal, because you've just fasted for 7-10 hours (if you're getting enough sleep), so make sure you resupply your body.

Anyway, didn't mean to hijack the thread into a "bulking: does it work?" debate, but just thought I'd share a bit of personal experience
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#260927 - 06/07/06 06:41 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Ayub]
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So is doing intensive cardio one day, and intensive weights the next, with a high protein - regular sized diet like this yoyo you speak of?

'bulk n' cut' cycle of training = Concentrating on eating loads and lifting loads to gain both fat and muscle. Then losing the fat, and some muscle with intensive cardio afterwards. Is this correct?




not quite, bulking is a long term thing, not day to day- you are talking months.

Tim, i am not doubting what you believe has happened, but i have never seen or heard of anyone putting on 11lbs of solid muscle in a month- not even on gear.

How are you measuring your bodyfat? are you using an electrostat? if so does the machine give a total body composition analysis?. There are many ways of throwing readings out on those things- ambient room temperature, ingestion of food, hydration levels,and battery charge to name the main ones. Also, if it is a set of scales, or a grip electrostat, they are not as accurate as the kind that connect at the wrist and ankle.

Things to consider.
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#260928 - 06/07/06 06:44 AM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: Cord]
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hehe, actually I'm not using any bodyfat machine - I'm just going on whether I've still got a six-pack Anyway, I'm going to qualify what I said slightly - it's probably nearer to 6 weeks, and who knows, I could have been a couple of pound heavier than I realised when I started. But still, the gains are suprising, and before I tried this I was in your camp... I'm still trying to decide what I believe on this myself

I'm weighing myself on the same pair of scales, once a week or so, and while I accept that a certain amount of environmental factors will cause innacuracies and exxagerate gains, I doubt it could have been by as much as that. Obviously, what I've eaten/drunk that day could also have an effect... but still, surely not enough to mask a progressive trend which shows a steady increase in weight?


Edited by TimBlack (06/07/06 06:50 AM)
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#260929 - 06/07/06 01:30 PM Re: Getting too skinny [Re: TimBlack]
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tsk tsk Tim- you cant post specific results based on nospecific data

Remember that one of the main areas people store bodyfat is on their back, also the gluteal area. Your 6 pack is no indication of maintaining constant bodyfat while 'bulking', it may just be the last bit to go soft. Time will tell, but as i say, close to a stone of true lean mass in 6 weeks is very unlikely, sorry bud
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