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Just because they have never "mentioned" it doesn't mean that they never "did" it. Speedy could know something we don't, and arguing about it is completely pointless because unless you know and asked every sensei and practitioner in Japan whether they used a jo instaid of a sword during the sword ban, you will never know whether it happened or not.

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Just because they have never "mentioned" it doesn't mean that they never "did" it. Speedy could know something we don't, and arguing about it is completely pointless because unless you know and asked every sensei and practitioner in Japan whether they used a jo instaid of a sword during the sword ban, you will never know whether it happened or not.

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Dear pepto,
This is a prime example of what I was referring to as "young people's emotional outbursts." You took offense to that particular statement of mine, not sure why, and proceeded to post something absolutely illogical in response. You either disregarded the original argument, or didn't bother to read and understand the posts. Either way your statement made no logical sense, and was simply an emotional outburst in response to one particular statement.

I'll try and explain ...
The original statement was ...
"Sword arts were banned even in Japan post WWII, and that's exactly what people did, use jo as an alternative."

This implies that the Japanese people used jo as an alternative to their sword practice, to which I responded that this was NOT what I understood to have happened, and I had never heard anything like this. Mine was a statement of fact based upon my experiences. Speedy, rather than explaining fully how he came to that conclusion, proceeded to get upset, wiggle around his statement, and finally try to change what I originally said. He never offered any sort of proof or backing to his original statement, so I had to conclude that he made it up.

Now, you have arrived and made the same sort of emotionally laden statement as Speedy by suggesting that my experiences are at fault, since I hadn't personally interviewed everyone involved in the Japanese sword arts during WWII. That fact does NOT alter my experiences, nor does it alter the fact that in my experience, Speedy's original statement was wrong. Further, it does absolutely nothing at all to indicate that Speedy is correct in his statement, and that he didn't make it up.

So, did you follow that? If not, I'm not sure I can make an explanation any more clear.

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Lol, I stand corrected. I should of took the time to read speedy's posts. I was just trying to say that "some" people "might" of used the jo instaid of a sword. Not that "most" people "did" use a jo instaid of a sword.

When you say "it's always kind of fun to see logic prevail over young people's emotional outbursts" you are implying that young people make a lot of illogical outbursts. Hence you are insulting the intelligance of most young people.

It probably would of been better if you would of said that you love to see logic prevail over speedy's outburst.

But I apoligigize for not researching the topic before posting about it...

I searched on yahoo, google, and alltheweb and searched for "using a jo instaid of a sword" worded several differant ways and I found nothing so you are probably correct.

(Old people are just as likely to make emotional outbursts as young people)

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Possibly, but not usually. I have found, from posting on quite a few different forums such as this one over the years, that young people have a much greater tendency to "shoot from the hip" without stopping to consider what is being said. That's how I could tell that Speedy was fairly young. You proved my point with your reply.

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Not one of them ever mentioned anyone using jo to replace their sword art.

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Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't use "replace" their art, I said alternative, as in temporary supplement.

But I found this very enlightening (though offensive and crudely stated)

You are what you post, Speedy.(in reference to your little picture)

Anyways, someone on the other forum was enlightened enough to actually discuss the videos with the maker of the "online dojo" and convinced him to take of some videos and stop offering his "classes" to the mass public, but he still says he will teach some friends his "twirling" thing.

So the rest of this board is meaningless arguments.

Mu!

P.S.

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If Speedy knows something the rest of don't then--then the burden of proof is upon HIM to present it.
When claims are made its the duty of the claiment to prove he/she is correct---not "our" job to prove they are not correct.

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Possibly, but not usually. I have found, from posting on quite a few different forums such as this one over the years, that young people have a much greater tendency to "shoot from the hip" without stopping to consider what is being said. That's how I could tell that Speedy was fairly young. You proved my point with your reply.

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Anyways, reagrdless of proof or not, I know what I know, so if you believe me cool, if not, whatever. Peace.

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Alrighty then. Thank you for confirming my initial suspicions. It seems you are just another "internet expert" with no real experience or knowledge of your own. Good enough, I can ignore you from now on and don't have to worry that I might miss anything worth reading.

Good luck in your endeavours, hopefully you'll learn something eventually. Peas.

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Speedy

This is what I get for trying to nice and help folks out.

Now your BMW about your own mistakes, errors and screw-ups.

If you "didn't have anything to prove" you would have listened to the folks that know what that doing.
The fact you have not just said "oops, my mistake" and let it go is proof that pgsmith was right all along.

Martial arts 101--if you pull it, you better be able to use it.
You can't have any kind of discussion OR debate when folks simply have no idea what they are talking about yet insist that everyone BUT them is wrong.

So you "know what you know" huh?

Ok--well "I" know you just plain wrong.

So there

This is the point in a discussion where I would say "put up or shut up."

But since you seemingly CAN'T do either---then I guess I'll just have to walk away.

Good luck in your martial arts practice--with an attitude like the one you have expressed here---your going to need all the luck and well wishing you can get.

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