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#259099 - 06/05/06 11:48 PM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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Hey, or better yet you should look at some katas and help some people out and say "hey that can be a grapple set up!" since some may not have that experience.

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#259100 - 06/05/06 11:53 PM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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kusojiji, You have more experience in wrestling. You have some knowledge in Karate. You say you practiced with other karateka did the practitioners not take your knowledge(it what you showed them) in wrestling and incorporate it. I mean did they not look at their owns style for possiblities of a grapple withing their katas?

I mean they should have reflected and said "hey that move you just showed me can be set up with the action or rection with in my kata in this particular style. Well atleast thats what i would have tried doing if I was sparring with you. Giving me a begining or ends of a means to something, and look at look at things differently.




Better than that. I ran through some basic stuff with them, sprawling, cross-face, over-hook, etc. I wouldn't make them guess like that.
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#259101 - 06/06/06 12:07 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: kusojiji]
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so then we can agree that when taking the right modes of thinking karate can have grapples in it. Then looking at somethings, could pull off a shoot aswell because of a particular movement(stance). Therefore taking that same thinking one could, if looking as a wrestler(state of mind) find a counter.

Of course this could only happen if a wrestler was present to put one in that state of mind.


Edited by edecco (06/06/06 12:09 AM)

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#259102 - 06/06/06 12:16 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: kusojiji]
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Nope, Kusojiji, no insecurities here. You have no idea where I have been and what I have been through. I use to do the Dojo Arashi thing when I was younger. I am confident enough to know I can fight, on the street, in the Dojo or anywhere else I need to. I have, and maybe will again. I have no reason to explain the Oyo in a Kata to you, or why a Kata is an important part of training. If you don't think it is, then don't do it. Simple, right. Like I said, maybe you could beat the snot out of us all, and maybe not. Point is, I don't care. You see your truth as the only truth. Who am I to disagree? You said you learn from experiance. Good, keep it up. Nuff said from me, I am done here.
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#259103 - 06/06/06 12:19 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: PaulHart]
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You see your truth as the only truth. Who am I to disagree?




I'm sorry, are you the pot or the kettle? Its so hard to tell when you wear black like that...
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#259104 - 06/06/06 01:03 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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Ok here is an example.


These are how I do it. You can draw your own conclusions. They were carried out during live full contact sparring ok?

Depending how good or crap the takedown attempt is and the physical condition of my opponent will dictate by instinct what I will do.
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This was after an exchange of strikes ok?
After a takedown attempt
I had sprawled,( it is in kata look for it)applied a strangle (Guillotine) that had only semi strangled my opponent because of his grasp on my forearm. I regained a stance quasi kiba- dachi (why a kiba-dachi?) then applied a tighter choke and was able to hammer in some thigh kicks, Kicks to the knee -tekki (pulled these ) knees, punches to the side of the face (tekki) and in the end forearm/ elbows to the opponents neck (which I pulled). At this stage the sparring was stopped. Opponent unable to continue. All these techniques are in Karate.
This opponent was a faily high ranking individual.

Scenario two
Crap takedown attempt =kick in the face end of sparr.
Crap takedown attempt 2= jump back and right hook to oppontents jaw (tekki)

Right hook(hooks are in karate so are uppercuts)
There are other defences I use but these will suffice for now.

I have been caught napping during some takedown attempts normaly after flurries of punches or kicks from the opponent, and ended up on the deck. Then it was a case of elbows punches knees arm lock attempts and in the end either me getting up or me getting tapped out or beat.(aint quite reached superman status yet)
back to the drawing board.

Would seem that there is going to be some discussion that wrestling is better than karate etc?? Or you need to see a demonstration of a set piece? I have described what i do. Regards the vidios for tekki look on google. A person has to go and find some times. If you want to know that bad start looking. You might learn some other things on the way.


Kata is a means of being made aware of techniques existing. It doesn’t train the technique as in the above. The techniques should be taken from kata and trained with a partner or on the bag/makai wari.Then kata aids with rememering these techniques.

Wrestling is in karate. I am not going to get in to the stlye scenario. I learn to fight. And then learn to fight better.Ok you seem impressed with takedowns but
they are not the end all. There is a whole heap of other things to train.

People might be getting defensive.It isnt for me to say. for me to do what I do took a lot of hard work and training. Any how draw your own conclusions from what I have written. Train hard good luck.

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#259105 - 06/06/06 01:07 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: adaca]
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I had sprawled,( it is in kata look for it)




Why must I look? Why can't you show me? I keep asking for folks to post a vid. is it so hard to find?
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#259106 - 06/06/06 01:12 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: kusojiji]
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like a good dojo I am afraid it is hard to find
unless someone is keeping hush


Edited by edecco (06/06/06 01:14 AM)

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#259107 - 06/06/06 01:16 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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like a good dojo I am afraid it is hard to find
unless someone is keeping hush





If karate folks can't find the kata vids, that is most unfortunate.
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#259108 - 06/06/06 01:17 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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plus keep in mind what we see might not be a literal sprawl but a possible connection that can be interpreted into a sprawl.

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