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#259119 - 06/06/06 01:37 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: kusojiji]
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i knew you would like that one. Well i didn't read the page but it did say shotokan. I am a lil filmilar with shotokan but i would be the wrong person to ask in what kata they have that movement in. I didn't read the page yet.


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#259120 - 06/06/06 01:41 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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Quote:

What one may see as a sprawl simply is a lowered stance for control or other reasons.




Seems to me that saying a lowered stance is a sprawl is like saying someone cocking their arm back and not extending the arm is a punch (oh, terrible example, but you know what I mean)
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#259121 - 06/06/06 01:42 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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Here's an interesting article that's related.

http://www.iainabernethy.com/articles/article_1.asp
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#259122 - 06/06/06 01:46 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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I think he might be saying that lowering ones center of gravity could help. meaning maybe if one were to step back then sink into a lowerstance while in contact. I have seen this work but i don't know the level of the person who was shooting in. Don't get me wrong other things were done beside the stepping back and lowering.

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#259123 - 06/06/06 01:51 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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Right,thankyou. He "might" have been saying this. It's all open to interpretation and there is no standard to what any move in kata means. Therefore it isn't the kata that is important,but the practice of the moves,whatever they may be.
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#259124 - 06/06/06 01:56 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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Sounds reasonable.
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#259125 - 06/06/06 01:57 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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Katas were a form of memorization to remind what could be. If you remember the root you can figure out that move you did the other day, for example. move A leads me to move B that leads me to C. If I remebr A and think of the senario again I should be able to get to C. After many attempts and practice I would be able to get to C without going to A, the root.

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#259126 - 06/06/06 01:58 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... *DELETED* [Re: edecco]
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#259127 - 06/06/06 01:59 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: edecco]
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move "A" was the original move in the kata. move "B" and "C" were the results of a senario.


Edited by edecco (06/06/06 02:00 AM)

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#259128 - 06/06/06 02:03 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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From the comments you made it shows the extent or rather none extent of your martial art skills.How would you know what a kata is used for? and you contradict your self.

Why do people in karate train open hand knife hand etc although in your mind they cant be used because they cant be trained live?

So in effect you are saying the very techniques devised are useless?

You wear gloves to sparr with ?

Is that becasue you choose not to condition your hands?

Why do you use the term we???

We as in who??


Are you not the same man whose answer to what would you do against some karate full contact fighters shown on vidio on this forum some time back was to use your takedown/floor/ground work/ skills ?? or you stated because you were better on the floor?
Its might be in the archives?
You would go to the floor?
Isnt that rolling about on the floor?

because you had better ground skills??


They were stand up fighters full contact.


The man who would rather not use kicks because he didnt train them?


On the whole brian and looking back at your input in to most discussions over the years on this website spells one thing to me

You dont know what you are talking about

The same man who suggests to a pacifist they shouldnt do martial arts? because of their beliefs?

Brian a lot of work has been done by excellent karateka
In fact I have a vidio here of top japanese karate ka
performing kata then bunkai rolling about as you put it on the floor because that is what the techniques were intended for.

Ok Brain i see you are more interested in golf than karate Perhaps then give me an explanation as to what Tekki can be used for?

I have the black and white film of early masters using it with bunkia?


Brain you have to be the most closed minded person who has ever attempted to write on any karate forum so
do me a favour either put up or shut up or stick to golf.

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