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#259159 - 06/08/06 01:05 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: PaulHart]
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Sometimes what we see as a closed mind is just a mind that looks at things from a different angle. This is a good trait, as then things can be seen that before were hidden from view. Because his knowledge and view differs from your own does not make him close minded, and to see it like this may instead make you close minded.




Thankyou PaulHart as well!
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#259160 - 06/08/06 01:12 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: CVV]
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Are there better methods of training SD(bar fight perspective) than karate? Yep I think so.
Go to a decent Muay Thai gym 3 times a week for a year and youre in shape and have the technique and sparring experience for most bar fight encounters. But unless youre either prepared to explore deeply into the history of Muay Thai or involve yourselve in the sport side, there is not much variation in training.

Karate in that regard has to offer a very wide variation in techniques and principles, all to be explored from the it's legacy : the kata's.
There is no limit towards exploring the potential of kata and it allows you to investigate other MA's and relate
these concepts back to kata. That's where the kata ends and real karate begins.






I would have to agree with this statement. What does a one year karate student really know about fighting? He knows stances,basic kicks and punches,perhaps some basic knowledge of joint locks,but not much about fighting. If he doesn't spar regularly his timing and distance will be way off anyway.
Now let's take it ten years down the road. What does the muay thai fighter know? I think the karateka should be able to handle himself much better...he should.
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#259161 - 06/08/06 01:25 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: kusojiji]
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Hi

The video you posted shows some well trained athletes.

I have in the past fought guys on this level in full contact MMA‘s competitions and in self defense situations.

I am not going to post any more methods on this website.

How ever if you want to exchange ideas via an email address then we could discuss it further that is entirely up to you.

I have read what other people have written and all I can suggest is in order to prove their comments they might want to find some one of that level, ask to sparr or fight or even just train with them and see if what they are saying does work. Or perhaps not as the case might be.

This practice does still exist in some South American countries (and indeed in some other countries with gypsies,) where large groups meet, after a carnival, fight in the streets, don’t get arrested, and work out what works and what doesn’t, or where they went wrong in training.
The methods that do work means the guy is still standing.

It also use to happen in Okinawa where they would also meet then fight to see who had the correct/better fighting method. Unfortuntley in this day and age it rarely happens apart from MMA’s which are to a degree controlled.

So we have the theoretical squabbling and deviations of reality.


Thanks.

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#259162 - 06/08/06 01:30 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: adaca]
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Wow adaca,that is really a great idea! We should all get together and fight it out!! YAY!

I'm just sayin'.......
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#259163 - 06/08/06 01:40 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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It would seem our training methods are also worlds apart

In not going to knock Mai Thai it is a good fighting method
and also I diss agree with the said limitations on mai thai
They also have advanced methods.



Watch master sken or another thai master.Better still go and train with master sken as others have. I have trained with some of these guys they are good.


But I can not see how a person training in mai thai after one year would be better than the karate trained person who trained correctly for a year?

Am I missing something here?

Or has it in a way just been spelled out to me?

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#259164 - 06/08/06 01:42 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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Some people still do instead of talking about it

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#259165 - 06/08/06 01:56 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: adaca]
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Yes it has just been spelled out to me.

Your not going to tell me that karate has more techniques to learn in the first year than mai thai are you ? That being the case
If what you and cvv are saying is that the level of fitness,technique's and general sparring skills during the first year of training of karate people where you train are below the level of that of a mai thai fighter of the same training duration, then i am afraid nothing more will come from any more discussions.

please keep the comments to techniques ?

Thanks

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#259166 - 06/08/06 02:09 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: CVV]
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With regards to your statement about better methods of training self defence in a bar than karate for a person training in their first year. Sorry I totaly disagree.
It would seem that our training methods are worlds apart.

Mai thai does have advanced methods if it is sought out.

How ever good luck with your training.

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#259167 - 06/08/06 02:10 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: adaca]
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Muay Thai

I'm speaking generally about the places I have visited personally,not my school though.

My school is more or less a MMA karate dojo,we use what works,period.

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Your not going to tell me that karate has more techniques to learn in the first year than mai thai are you ?




Is that some sort of coctail? Hmmmmmm....What it has to learn and what is taught are two different things.

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please keep the comments to techniques ?





Sure,I'd be happy to if you wouldn't openly attack me and answer my pm's instead,adaca?

It seems that you think your level of knowledge far exceeds mine and others here. So why don't you start some indepth discussions of your own,they might be interesting.

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#259168 - 06/08/06 02:32 AM Re: from a wrestling perspective... [Re: BrianS]
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.... and then there was no Muat Thai?
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