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#258137 - 05/30/06 12:07 AM advice on kicking
USMCAmerKenpoJKD Offline
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Hello all, I have posted on here before. It has been quite some time again. Since my last post I have been teaching more and more. (I teach a combination of American Kenpo Karate and Jeet Kune Do) I have a certain student who has incredible upper body balance and intense focus with his punches. He has a problem when it comes to his kicking though. His front snap kick looks good, but when it comes to doing his side kick, and roundhouse kicks, he seems to have some trouble. He wobbles somewhat and I have that ominous feeling that when he kicks that one of these times he is just going to fall over.

I have tried having him do wall exercises (though I prefer my lessons outside) I have him use a tree. I run him through the chamber-extend-re-chamber and finnaly I have him put the foot down. I have him do this about 5 times each leg, and he seems to improve some.

I apologize for rambling on like this. All I am in need of is some advice from fellow teachers on how to correct this problem, or students who may have a solution.

Thanks a lot

Tony (Rich or Richard works too)
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#258138 - 05/30/06 01:04 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: USMCAmerKenpoJKD]
lineOfFire Offline
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I would first have him do side kicks slow and methodical. Lifting and using only the muscles involved in the kick. Extend not to kick but to reach out. As he/she improves, go faster and faster. From there they should have now know how the body aligns as it kicks and the balance it takes to transfer the energy from the ground to the kicking leg, to the feet.
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#258139 - 05/30/06 02:05 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: USMCAmerKenpoJKD]
hedkikr Offline
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don't lean back (body: crescent shape)

pivot on the toes (not the heel)

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#258140 - 05/30/06 06:42 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: hedkikr]
shoshinkan Offline
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All good advice already, if i may add that I tend to start people who struggle with kicking on kicking targets, it gives them a focus point and allows for distance to be judged.

Dont worry about power at this point, but kicking air is difficult for many, so take away that difficulty.

Also foot movement, allowing the supporting leg to flex and the foot to rotate on the ball of the foot, a little is always good practise IMO.
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#258141 - 05/30/06 08:00 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: shoshinkan]
MattJ Offline
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I would definitely give him some resistance to practice his kicks on - either a kicking pad or a heavy bag. That should solve the balance problem very quickly.

I assume he is not ready to spar yet for some reason?
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#258142 - 05/30/06 08:10 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: USMCAmerKenpoJKD]
TeK9 Offline
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Seems your student is having problems with balance and mechanics of a kick.

Have him lay down on his side and practice the motions of the kick he wishes to learn. For the side kick have him practice on his side aiming his foot on a straight line on the ground. This gives him a refference point when he chambers and rechambers his kicking leg.
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#258143 - 05/30/06 09:06 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: TeK9]
MattJ Offline
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Quote:

Seems your student is having problems with balance and mechanics of a kick.

Have him lay down on his side and practice the motions of the kick he wishes to learn. For the side kick have him practice on his side aiming his foot on a straight line on the ground. This gives him a refference point when he chambers and rechambers his kicking leg.




That is a new one to me. Pardon me Tek9, but how is getting your student to lay on the floor going to help their balance? Isolating them from gravity would seem to be counter-productive.
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#258144 - 05/30/06 11:36 AM Re: advice on kicking [Re: MattJ]
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dealing with his response is all yours Matt....I can't bear to look.

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#258145 - 05/30/06 12:14 PM Re: advice on kicking [Re: Ed_Morris]
butterfly Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Well, Tek's advice may not all be bad here. Perhaps he did not explain thouroughly.

There was a practice/exercise I used to do for side kicks...and tangentially with round kicks....way back 20 years ago (and that I occasionally still do) that benefitted me. However, this may not answer the question of balance, but will get the body used to the kick. The exercise was done to strengthen and stretch the legs, hips, butt and lower back for kicking.

Put the body down as if you are going to do a pushup and then angle your body more or less to one side. Using bent arms for support and the lower leg (non-kicking leg) with the ball of the foot on the ground and its heel pointed upward in the direction of the kick.

Now, chamber the kicking leg with the thigh perpendicular to your torso and keep it at hip height. Push upward with the heel of your kicking foot while not dropping or turning the knee, and not lowering the angle of the thigh, and then try to reach toward the ceiling using the hip and supporting leg for the push. Keep proper alignment and do this slowly, but energetically for the thrust of the kick where you would normally put the extra "umph" in the impact. This forces you to use your hip to place the kick properly.

You'll find this is harder than it looks and will stretch and strengthen the hip and butt for support of this kick when done in it's proper vertical orientation.

-B

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#258146 - 05/30/06 01:15 PM Re: advice on kicking [Re: butterfly]
lineOfFire Offline
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There is also another way, similar to your practice, that devolops strength to the body core and the kick. That is; stay on the practice leg and lean forward, your body should be horizontal, hold on to a chair to help balance and go down and press back up, you are actually just chambering and using your body weight as a resistance at the same time training the body for alignment, that aids with balance.
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