but fighting underwater with weights on is what i meant where u would have proper footing.. like underwater theres more resistance than on land right so working against that resistance is gona leave your movements easyer on land right..but maybe your right it is probly a gay idea and theres probly beter ways but i still dont see how it could do any bad

Then i should be under the impression that you feel your power is generated purely through your arms? Do you deny that power is generated through proper grounding and your core? Proper body mechanics are paramount when it comes to striking, do you disagree with this? You can't achieve proper body mechanics through underwater training for the simple fact that you are removing gravity and adding resistance in the wrong manner and at the wrong time. What you are improving is push power not power in impact.

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Re: Fact #2: I've witnesses mentioned in my blog.

Re: Fact #3: Cord has not presented any facts, nor have you.

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What exactly does your 'witnesses" prove? How do they prove you are "as effective as anyone " and how does it prove that underwater training is the cause of this effectiveness?

It's real simple. Force is generated from the ground up. Proper body alignment (grounding) and your core muscle group are what give you punching power. There are those who can hit hard simply because they are strong but this isn't the rule.

Maybe you need to re-evaluate what it is in your work out that is giving you positive effects. Just because your "witnesses" are telling you that you are effective (regardless of if it's true) doesn't mean it's coming from underwater training.

Stealthdozer, I understand where your coming from. i read that bio taken from your blog, and I am sure that you have been training in water for many years, possibly on the advice, or based on habits instilled in you, by the teachers that you reference, and obviously respect highly.
In some way, me criticising water training, you are taking as an oblique criticism of your teachers and/or your considerable experience.You have years invested in water training, based on the advice of people you hold in high regard. I am just words on a screen. Who am I to criticise?
Its the mindset from which we derive the truism 'you cant teach an old dog new tricks'.

as I have said, if you enjoy-and believe in, water training, then best of luck to you.

I was a well thought of fitness professional, and have 10 years experience working with people to make them perform better. I have worked with national level athletes, boxers, and also handled physio and conditioning for a professional soccer team. I would be a terrible MA instructor- not where my skill lies.

By that very reasoning, your MA masters, and yourself, can be exceptional Artists, yet you have to acknowledge that this does not, by default, ensure a professional level of conditioning knowledge. Pilots leave the design of the planes they fly to a group of specialists. The relationship between athlete, skill coach(s) and conditioning trainer(s) shares a parallel to this. Very different skills brought together to make a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

My facts are simple biomechanics and kinesiology, backed up by scientific research in those fields. i am sorry if that annoys you, but if its any consolation, your illusions seem far too strong to shatter

Stealth,

It's nothing personal,really. We all have our opinions and our experiences. It's all good! If training kata in the water has benefitted you I would keep doing it! It's no one elses business to tell you how to train.

As far as the other matter goes this site has had dramatic changes in the last year.Things are much better here. Virtual challenges and other things won't be tolerated. Look at all the moderators we have on board now!
I hope you stick around and post more. You seem to have experiencesalot of us could benefit from.