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#255993 - 02/29/08 04:42 PM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: janxspirit]
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Bruce Lee INVENTED steroids. Seriously.




Man, don't do that! Do you know how many kids are gonna read that? At least put a smiley if you're going to BS.
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#255994 - 02/29/08 05:51 PM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: MattJ]
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This is just something that has really been bothering me in recent years outside this forum and in recent weeks on it:

Why is everyone so obsessed over who did or didn't do steriods? It's like everyone is just searching the world and finding anyone who does something physically incredible and they instantly have to start the "do you think he's on steroids too?" bit.

1. Who cares. It's not your business what other people do or don't do, especially when it has no direct affect on you.

2. The life choises that professional athletes or just the average Joe even make regarding their health is their choice, not yours. How about more introspection on how can I be better instead of imposing your rumors/morals/philosophy/ or just plain on others?

3. You could have a little respect for the dead and not start throwing around unsubstantiated (sp? sorry) claims about them.

These kinds of things are nothing more than gossip and jealousy the likes of which I haven't seen and we as martial artists should be above it.


end rant. Just something that's been bugging me for a while.

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#255995 - 02/29/08 06:43 PM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: JMWcorwin]
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Well said, Corwin.

I think it's a pointless argument. In the lte 60's - early 70's people weren't as aware or as touchy about steroids as they are today.

Even if he did take them, he wasn't competing so it wasn't anyone else's business.
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#255996 - 03/01/08 05:46 AM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: peter586]
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does anyone know if bruce lee took steroids?! i read on tommy carruthers site in a forum he said that bruce took steroids! does anyone know if its true




I dont know if he took steroids. I believe that he didnt take steroids.
The reason why I believe this?
From what I have seen of him he doesnt show any physical signs that I could compare to steriod users I have known.


The other reason? At the time there were other practicing martial artists who had very simular physiques and physical attributes to Bruce Lee who, to me, dont show the signs when viewed.


I believe if he hadnt done what he did martial arts wouldnt be as well known in the Western World as it is now.

Considering Tommy Carruthers stated he was then might I suggest e-mailing him and if you have a mind to questioning him? I do agree it is totaly unfair to state what he did as Bruce Lee isnt around to defend himself.

Just a small point. I think people do have the choice of doing what they want. So long as what they are doing doesnt affect others directly or in-directly, knowingly or un-knowingly, in what might be termed a bad way.

If they are then they are more than likely going to be judged by anybody who cares to judge them.


Jude




Might be worth while asking Tommy Carruthers?


Edited by jude33 (03/01/08 05:52 AM)

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#255997 - 03/01/08 05:32 PM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: MattJ]
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Quote:

Bruce Lee INVENTED steroids. Seriously.




Man, don't do that! Do you know how many kids are gonna read that? At least put a smiley if you're going to BS.




I didn't even consider that. But I'm not horribly concerned either.

Bruce Lee experimented with several illegal substances. It's the truth.

If I make a joke that he INVENTED steroids, and some minds read it that aren't mature to understand sarcasm - what can I do?

Personally, I believe the biggest thing making steroids unsafe is that they are ILLEGAL. When you make a substance or activity illegal on the grounds that it is unsafe, it only becomes more unsafe.

In the case of steroids - being illegal makes the sources untrustworthy and prohibits doctors from advising and guiding steroid users.

THAT is what makes steroids so dangerous in the first place.
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#255998 - 03/02/08 07:27 AM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: janxspirit]
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Man, don't do that! Do you know how many kids are gonna read that? At least put a smiley if you're going to BS.





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Bruce Lee experimented with several illegal substances. It's the truth.






Realy? What were they and where is the proof? I dont think he did. Pure speculation.
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If I make a joke that he INVENTED steroids, and some minds read it that aren't mature to understand sarcasm - what can I do?




Not make the statement or make it clear it is/ was sarcasm.
Maybe also consider who reads this website and perhaps the age group?

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Personally, I believe the biggest thing making steroids unsafe is that they are ILLEGAL. When you make a substance or activity illegal on the grounds that it is unsafe, it only becomes more unsafe.

In the case of steroids - being illegal makes the sources untrustworthy and prohibits doctors from advising and guiding steroid users.






Interesting. Far be it for me to get in to a debate about steriods again there is somethings certain people might miss.

A high percentage of martial artists train for the benefits of health. Or perhaps others might be looking to still be able to train when they are say 79 years old etc. The requirement of a doctor should be to cure or benefit peoples lives. Not to advise people who choose to by pass their own endocrine system.

Jude

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#255999 - 04/04/08 11:57 PM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: jude33]
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I just finished reading "Unsettled Matters", by Tom Bleeker (Linda Lee's ex-husband after Bruce), and there are many indications that Bruce may have used steroids (not necessarily ones that will bulk you up, rather, ones that will get you super cut...which is what many body-buliders and others used back then...notice the size differences from then until now)

More importantly, I 100% fully believe that Bruce was poisoned...no way in holy hell that Bruce had a drug reaction like that from a perscription pain killer (not to mention the fact that he had a similar episode less than 2 months before that, but was revived)

Read the book and the timeline of just how long it took to get Bruce to the hospital, after he hadnt been breathing or had a pulse for almost two hours, and any Bruce Lee fan (like myself) should be more than fired up that he died because of incompetence

btw- I also believe that he was poisoned on 2 different occasions

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#256000 - 04/05/08 07:27 AM Re: bruce lee steroids?! [Re: Vinman]
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I just finished reading "Unsettled Matters", by Tom Bleeker (Linda Lee's ex-husband after Bruce), and there are many indications that Bruce may have used steroids (not necessarily ones that will bulk you up, rather, ones that will get you super cut...which is what many body-buliders and others used back then...notice the size differences from then until now)

More importantly, I 100% fully believe that Bruce was poisoned...no way in holy hell that Bruce had a drug reaction like that from a perscription pain killer (not to mention the fact that he had a similar episode less than 2 months before that, but was revived)

Read the book and the timeline of just how long it took to get Bruce to the hospital, after he hadnt been breathing or had a pulse for almost two hours, and any Bruce Lee fan (like myself) should be more than fired up that he died because of incompetence

btw- I also believe that he was poisoned on 2 different occasions




There were no poisons found in the tox report of his autopsy.

There were no steroids found in his tox report.

his symptoms have since been identified as exactly those of a rare form of sudden onset Epilepsy.

Ex-Husbands who can't compete with a globally idolised memory seldom write a book without an agenda.

This thread keeps waking up like a retarded bear in the depths of winter. Time to put it to sleep.
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