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#254329 - 05/15/06 08:33 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ArtialMartsGuy]
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Suio-ryu (which is koryu sogo bujutsu) emphasizes using only the kissaki for their iaijutsu/kenjutsu portion of their curriculum.

I've taken a couple of classes with Brian Stokes Sensei in the San Diego area, who I've known for years. He invited me to see what Suio-ryu was about and for their art, the kissaki is the major 'point' of emphasis (bad pun intended).

In fact they are not allowed to do tameshigiri - not because it is counter to any ideological rules of using a sword to cut with, but because cutting *thru* your opponent is a waste. With just the tip you can sever tendons, open arteries, and otherwise completely incapacitate your opponent - AND by just using the tip - you increase your reach by several inches as opposed to cutting with the monouchi.

Different strokes...all good!

Erik Tracy
Eishin-ryu iaijutsu

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#254330 - 05/15/06 08:40 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ErikTracy]
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With just the tip you can sever tendons, open arteries, and otherwise completely incapacitate your opponent - AND by just using the tip - you increase your reach by several inches as opposed to cutting with the monouchi.

Different strokes...all good!





Hello Eric. Welcome to Fighting Arts Eric. Different strokes indeed.
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#254331 - 05/15/06 09:30 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: Charles Mahan]
ArtialMartsGuy Offline
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Loc: Tucson, Arizona
Are you sure about tucson, I search and keep finding phoenix as usual. Any information on these styles I find are about seminars and those are just in forums. Can someone help me to find a site or address because I haven't seen an official site besides kenshindojo.org. and that just gives me a search site like google.

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#254332 - 05/15/06 11:23 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ArtialMartsGuy]
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Have you tried using the search option over at http://www.e-budo.com and http://www.swordforum.com ?
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#254333 - 05/16/06 10:51 AM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ErikTracy]
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Working with just the tip sounds very artistic, but not too many people are that talented. My sensei was very firm about "cutting through" with the monouchi. He did not mean a great powerful swing that ends a foot or more beyond the target. The cut should end just outside the target (O.K., body). That avoids the risk of getting caught, wedged or trapped, in the breastbone, for example.

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#254334 - 05/16/06 01:17 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: iaibear]
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Working with just the tip sounds very artistic, but not too many people are that talented. My sensei was very firm about "cutting through" with the monouchi. He did not mean a great powerful swing that ends a foot or more beyond the target. The cut should end just outside the target (O.K., body). That avoids the risk of getting caught, wedged or trapped, in the breastbone, for example.




I suppose 'artistic' is one way of looking at it - but that is how everyone within Suio-ryu applies their training towards. Suio-ryu is koryu and derives its history from use on the battlefield against armored opponents.

This same concept of looking for openings in the armor and applying well placed cuts/slices is common across many older kenjutsu styles as well. Imagine this: take a sharp shinken - lay it across your wrists - imagine just how *easy* it would be lay open the arteries, sever the tendons with hardly any pressure at all - rendering your hand totally useless and your body bleeding out.

Small tactical cuts make sense.

Me, I'm a big cutting Eishin-ryu practitioner! But I really like understanding how the other guys approach their iai/kenjutsu. It all makes sense, it's all good!

Erik

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#254335 - 05/16/06 01:33 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ArtialMartsGuy]
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Are you sure about tucson, I search and keep finding phoenix as usual



There are many koryu instructors that don't have a web presence. Bob Corella is the head instuctor in Phoenix. If you contact him, he can give you information about Araki ryu in Tucson ... http://www.kenshindojo.net/Home.html I can give you contact information for two dojo in Tucson that teach Sekiguchi ryu and Nakamura ryu battojutsu. Don't want to put their email out in a public forum, so I will PM you the details.
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#254336 - 05/16/06 01:36 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ErikTracy]
pgsmith Offline
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Suio-ryu (which is koryu sogo bujutsu) emphasizes using only the kissaki for their iaijutsu/kenjutsu portion of their curriculum.



Hey Erik!
What I have seen and heard about TSKSR indicates that they do much the same thing, although they do have large and forceful cuts in their curriculum also.
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#254337 - 08/07/06 11:34 AM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: ArtialMartsGuy]
bobcorella Offline
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Registered: 08/06/06
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Hi,
We do have an iaido dojo in Tucson. Its Araki Ryu and we have been in Tucson for several years. Please under Tucsoniaido.org or contact me at kenshindojo.net.
Bob Corella
bcorella@cox.net

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#254338 - 08/07/06 07:02 PM Re: Style that uses the tip area of the blade? [Re: bobcorella]
paradoxbox Offline
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Registered: 09/15/04
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yagyu shinkage ryu is known for using the end of the blade for many cuts.

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