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#253618 - 05/12/06 12:11 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: harlan]
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Yeah kinda see your point... something to ponder on! Thank you.
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#253619 - 05/12/06 03:33 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed,

It *really* was better in the good 'ol days. Our first proper dojang was on the rooftop on a 4-storey building. When the weather was fine, we trained. When it rained, we have a swim in the instant mini swimming pool (OK, wading pool). No dojo/dojang today can have their own swimming pool.

And kicking paddles? Today's kicking paddles can't hold a candle to ours back then. Our kicking paddles, you can use them as footwear after training. I think the brand was "japanese slippers".

We also had a lot of fun with our "night maneuvers" training. One little miserable fluorescent light that a moth would hardly give a second look. But there were two unexpected benefits. 1) We trained our night-vision, and 2) We looked at a lot of stars and learned some astronomy.

Ahh...those were they days my friend,
We thought they'd never end,
We'll sing and dance forever and a day,
We lived the life we choose
We fight and never lose,
Those were the days,
Oh those were the daaaaaaaayyys!

Sorry, no snow, though.


Edited by theoldone (05/12/06 03:34 PM)

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#253620 - 05/12/06 03:36 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: theoldone]
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Ugh, I was so into what you were saying until you put visions of Archie Bunker in my head

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#253621 - 05/12/06 03:45 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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LOL! Who, me? How so?
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Ugh, I was so into what you were saying until you put visions of Archie Bunker in my head


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#253622 - 05/12/06 05:46 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: theoldone]
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Sorry. You were quoting a different song - but my mind uploaded the opening to "all in the family". Yech.

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#253623 - 05/12/06 07:27 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Quote:

Sorry. You were quoting a different song - but my mind uploaded the opening to "all in the family". Yech.




Meathead.


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I can promise you that people practicing karate today aren't a pimple on the butt of those I've seen over the years






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#253624 - 05/13/06 10:19 AM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Interesting post, Ed.

I have noticed that a lot as well. Not to be wishy-washy, but I think that martial arts have simply changed. Some for the better (the MMA paradigm has been a good, if very uncomfortable change for MA), and some for the worse (brazen McDojos and crass commercialism have not been good for the MA image).

I think it's important to try to keep in mind the good things done in years past, but be willing to move forward when NEW good things come around.
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#253625 - 05/14/06 01:26 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: MattJ]
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Maybe in "the good old days" people didn't train for television contracts or the WWF. Where I don't watch MMA or WWF on television, it's clear that they have good athletes who can take a lot of punishment. Their technique, however, sucks pond water.

You said
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Not to be wishy-washy, but I think that martial arts have simply changed. Some for the better (the MMA paradigm has been a good, if very uncomfortable change for MA), and some for the worse (brazen McDojos and crass commercialism have not been good for the MA image).





The difference between cross-training and MMA is that none of the MMA players seldom ever master anything, where cross trainers learn extensions of their technique. Brawling might be good television, but it isn't much in the scheme of training. Two thirds of what I've seen on MMA matches end up with one guy sitting on the other one with his arms pinned, pounding on his head.

Don't think I'm disrepectful of their ability to take a pounding, because that has to be the absolute bottom of the drum in self defense, but it sucks pond water as far as technique goes. A drunk brawler in a bar can sit on somebody's chest and pound on their head... if he has enough tatoos...



Edited by wristtwister (05/14/06 01:28 PM)
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#253626 - 05/14/06 02:38 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Hello Ed:

I am too young (unfortunately) to have practiced in the "old days" I regret.... although looking at your dates I could have been training beside you... However having several folks still actively training from "that period" and encountering them at least periodically. Others had gone forward to other things but their grand children are now actively training...

Apparently the head instructor at different points supposedly used a cattle prod . (Obviously set low but even so....) I have major trouble even imagining that kind of (IMO-fwiw) insanity training!

Older methods do not necessarily mean better, nor smarter I agree completely. I am certain this has been the lament since the beginning of martial practice at the dawn of time, once things became organized training anyway.
I appreciate borrowing/hearing-of an ~old method~ try and reverse engineer what they were attempting...see in time what might be improved for the better? As with anything martial we must understand the tool before we haphazardly change too too much. Caution as always governs...

Jeff

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#253627 - 05/14/06 03:19 PM Re: The 'good ol days' ? [Re: wristtwister]
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Their technique, however, sucks pond water.

Two thirds of what I've seen on MMA matches end up with one guy sitting on the other one with his arms pinned, pounding on his head.






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