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#253533 - 05/12/06 03:07 AM Kung Fu forms - important?
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
Was discussing the importance/use of forms in MA training in another thread. Thought I'd open a thread making this more kung fu specific.

Are forms usefull, essential, optional, or a waste of time?

#253534 - 05/12/06 06:21 AM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: 18lohans]
WuXing Offline

Registered: 10/24/05
Posts: 481
Loc: Idaho, USA
The answer is the same as in the other depends on what you want and how you practice.
Traditional people will say they are essential, they are how the style is transmitted and contain all the principles and techniques you need to know.
Sports and self-defense only people will say they are useless and a waste of time, just practice simple techniques with resisting opponents.

I practice traditional martial arts, and I am of the opinion that they are important and necessary. I also believe that it is important for the techniqes from the forms to be drilled with resisting partners and applied in sparring, so that the form does not become just a "dance".
There are some forms which have significance beyond just fighting, and it is important to pass on and cultivate those forms, too, with the proper spirit intact.

#253535 - 05/12/06 08:17 AM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: WuXing]
Fisherman Offline

Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
Good post Wuxing.
I'd agree that forms are valuable part of training traditional MA's. I also think that the form alone will not make you a better martial artist, you must work with others to really understand the meanings within the forms. The only way you can make the technique from the forms work in fighting is through practice drills, sparring, etc.
I can see that forms are very important within the IMA's. They contain practices for cultivation of better health, mental function, and energetic balance within the body.
Chris Haynes

#253536 - 05/12/06 02:09 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: 18lohans]
monji112000 Offline

Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 177
Depends on your goal.

In some schools Forms are a large part of the stle. Some have 30+ forms.

They are good for a cardio workout, and leg streanth (low stances).

Good forms =! good fighting.

#253537 - 05/12/06 02:12 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: monji112000]
Fisherman Offline

Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA

Good forms =! good fighting

Good forms + good methods to train the essence of the forms = good fighting
Chris Haynes

#253538 - 05/12/06 02:29 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: 18lohans]
ShaolinNinja Offline
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Registered: 10/09/05
Posts: 301
Loc: Ireland
I wouldn't say forms are 'essential' insofar as you can definitely learn martial arts without them. They are a useful tool though. They teach biomechanics, posture, correct movement, in a word technique. There are certain things they definitely do not teach: spacing, reaction, sensitivity etc. Therefore they must be combined with a host of other training methods.
They are useful for people who don't train full-time and don't always have a partner around to train with, as they allow you to practise on your own.

#253539 - 05/12/06 02:35 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: Fisherman]
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
I guess I like forms because they offer me guidelines and a sense of certainty. Whenever I find myself doing movements in sparring that feel weird or just unseen, I go back to forms and see if they have that movement somewhere, and it it's there, I ask if it makes sense applying it the way I did.

I remember taking Judo as a little kid. We didnt'have any forms. It was just technique by technique. I think I remember as muhc as 3 techniques, even though I sepnt couple years learning it. Another style I learned 5 years ago, I remember just about everything, cuz I can still do the forms in there.

#253540 - 05/16/06 03:09 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: 18lohans]
Tezza Offline

Registered: 07/05/05
Posts: 775
Loc: Kent, U.K.
When I first started I would have to admit I saw no point of our forms in Wing Tsun (i.e. Siu Nim Tau) as we practiced them over and over again. Although I then went on a Seminar, which solely was based on this form. And I learnt that it was the abc (dictionary if you like) of Wing Tsun. It taught you how to relax and how to better particular techniques and especially your stance.
We were also taught the applications of each move, which really enlightened me because I noticed that every single movement was meant as a move for a particular situation.
So in my opinion they are very important and play an important part in your training.
Although this is only my opinion and everyone has their own view on this.
Train Hard Tez WT Central

#253541 - 05/16/06 07:03 PM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: 18lohans]
the_terminator Offline

Registered: 04/07/06
Posts: 18
Loc: MD, United States
My view is to practice the forms will make you a better fighter, and that it is also good to use to workout as they use the different techniques that the style has so you can then become better in the style.
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#253542 - 05/22/06 01:31 AM Re: Kung Fu forms - important? [Re: the_terminator]
IExcalibui2 Offline

Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 961
Loc: New York City
Forms on the outside look very much like a dance and doesnt contain much juice. But if you do the form with alot of strength and energy then you will be rewarded. If you do forms just for the sake of doing it then it isnt of much importance. Forms are genius works in my eyes. They look like nothing but in them are basically the manual of the entire art. Forms show you (depends on whether you can see it or not) the types of strength that you can use in a fight or what not, and the power of the techniques within the art. I for one would say forms are important, they hold alot of just gotta try and find it

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