Quote: Well, I guess that suddenly makes all of the soldiers' death insignificant.
Of course not, and its ridiculous to think that the comparison was made in that framework… it is a matter of numbers of people dying in obviously dangerous circumstances and those dying in what we would consider normal daily activities. During WWII, America lost over 200,000 troops in one day, mostly due to a training exercise gone bad… so if you want to compare “war deaths” to “war deaths”, look at some real numbers instead of acting like 2600 is a shocking figure for a two year war.
Quote: Every death is a tragedy in itself,
The only part of that argument you got right.
Quote : So, is there freedom of speech in the U.S. or not? Cause according to you it seems one has to leave if he is expresses discontent with the government.
Absolutely, there is freedom of speech… the problem is that many of those speaking, as your slant takes it, “never quite gets around to telling the truth”. This government does a lot of things that I dislike, but I don’t have to lie about them to make them appear worse than they are… the misdirection of information by the left in this country is God-awful, and while we have freedom of speech, the part that’s missing on both extreme sides is truth…
Every conceiveable news story that has come out of Iraq and Afghanastan has been a pack of lies from the media, and you can tell it’s coordinated because they all use the same “catch phrases” to report the stories. They depict American soldiers as thugs and killers, while glamorizing terrorists and insurgents as “freedom fighters” . The story out of Haditha is a good example…
Quote: Are you for or against free trade, in the end?
Try FAIR trade… not where our goods are taxed at 1000 percent of the value of the goods coming in from another country in order to ship something there. A $10 item is taxed at 35 percent, for instance to go to XXX country, but the goods coming from that country are only taxed at 3 to 5 percent of their value to enter the U.S. Volume has something to do with it as well, so we can’t match or compete with countries where they import only 1 percent of what we import from them and multiply our taxes to ship there. If you’re looking to find where American workers are getting screwed, that’s the first snapshot…
Quote: Contradict yourself much?
No, but if you twist what I say a few more times, I’m sure you can…
Quote: Those massacres never happened did they? And neither did the human rights violations in the prisons?
Which massacres are you talking about… the one at the World Trade Center… the Embassies in Africa and Beiruit… the U.S.S. Cole… the gassing of the Curds? Let’s see… those were unprovoked attacks by Islamic Facists that killed thousands of people. Do you think you can seriously compare that with prison guards making prisoners do stupid things that got the guards put in prison? If you think so, you’re way off base...
This is a war… not an encounter group session. People die and get killed in wars. Mischaracterizing it and trying to make everything the American forces and the allies are doing look like blasphemy is where the real blasphemy is found. Like most of the reporter- journalists, you seem to support the idea that it’s okay to sensationalize the facts to make somebody look bad as long as it supports you theory, but if you find out the facts are different later, you want to print it on the back page of the classifieds.
Quote: Astronomic war spending is in no way responsible for the massive deficit. It's the foreigners' fault.
War spending is part of it… but if I remember correctly, it wasn’t America that flew airliners into the World Trade Center to get all this started. You can blame whoever you wish.
Quote: Yeah, except that you need money to start a business.
People take out loans to start businesses every day. Some start small and grow their businesses into whatever they become… others build a small businessl sell it, and take the profits to open other businesses. There’s more venture capital out there than people can spend, which is why venture capitalists are so rich…. They are looking for the “next opportunity”, and if you have a business idea, they are more than willing to fund it if it’s a sound proposition.
Quote: No U.N. resolution ever approved of the war.
All 17 of the resolutions that Saddam Hussein ignored allowed for military action to enforce them, as did the terms of surrender of the first Gulf war. If you’re going to quote history, at least be accurate.
Quote: In fact, the war is a breach of international law
Again, read the previous 17 resolutions and the terms of surrender negotiated by Gen. Schwartzkoff, and you’ll find ample information to accommodate military actions against Iraq.
Quote: By the way, I'm not anti-US, there are arguments to be made in favor of American policies, it's just that your posts were so one-sided that I had to play devil's advocate.
That’s fine… you’re entitled to be wrong…
Seriously, I don't have a problem with anything except the characterizations of our involvement and the false reporting that's going on. While there's a political element to many things, politicizing the war ought to be a capital offense. Too many people that are lefty's want everyone to think America is the evil in this situation... and while imbedded reporters are there to report things as soon as they happen, it would be much better if they bothered to tell the truth.