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#252451 - 05/13/06 07:26 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: shoshinkan]
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So if you do not have a background in grappling, or even if you do, how do you go about the process of unlocking the grappling and locking techniques within the kata?
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#252452 - 05/13/06 07:29 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
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Let me say you NEED grappling experience/training to do any type of truly effective grappling.

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#252453 - 05/13/06 07:37 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: medulanet]
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Well that's good because I have 2 years of high school wrestling experience and some BJJ experience. What I want to know is how to extract the techniques out of kata.
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#252454 - 05/13/06 08:42 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
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What I want to know is how to extract the techniques out of kata.




Time,and a good instructor.
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#252455 - 05/13/06 09:14 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: BrianS]
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Yeah, I guess. And lot's of research.
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#252456 - 05/14/06 08:27 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
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Tek, start with very simple applications - then 'work' them so they are effective against street styled attack,

single techniques are fine to begin with, then add a technique etc etc (from the kata sequence).

This will give you a good base to build from, good luck with it.
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#252457 - 05/14/06 09:31 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: shoshinkan]
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#252458 - 05/14/06 02:45 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: BrianS]
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Thanks for the advice, I'll get right to work.
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#252459 - 03/27/08 12:55 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
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Bump for going round and round again!!




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#252460 - 03/27/08 01:13 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
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I've heard a lot of people on talk about getting their groundfighting out of kata. Also, if i'm not mistaken Iain Abernethy talks about groundfighting in kata. What do ya make uf that?




No, he doesn't say that...

I will quote him if you'd like:

"no groundfighting holds appear within the katas, but knowledge of them is important if you wish to be able to apply the kata's methods whilst on the floor"

Does that sound like he's saying he "gets his groundfighting from kata"?

Taking classical kata of Okinawan karate and trying to graft groundfighting apps onto it kind of silly. Just train some groundfighting and integrate it with your Karate, it will fit just fine. Abernethy's books are great for that, he has all the simple holds and such you need to work.

Far as extracting techniques you should really find a good instructor, barring that here's a book by my teacher on just that subject:

http://www.ymaa.com/publishing/books/external/the_way_of_kata

I've also heard Abernthy's bunkai-jutsu books are good, but I don't own them.

Really there is a ton of good literature on the subject these days, however it's no substitute for a good Karate teacher.


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