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#252521 - 03/31/08 08:36 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: student_of_life]
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oh, i have pm'd you, my thoughts arn't fit for a public forum.



I am inclined to agree with you on that one.


I deal with all kinds of people. With some their thoughts wouldnt be deemed fit for a public anything.
If you have something to communicate to me I would suggest; lets keep the threads nice and clean and educational by using the pm's. Or dont bother communicating
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so where is the evidence that pankration influanced ti? if its not in books, where have you fond a connection? both zach and i have asked you 3 times now between us, i'd love to hear this one.




And so you Zach and who ever has an interest shall.

Jude

Just a reminder to you Zack and who ever, wants to let off steam at me? Pm;s are good, or dont communicate. The forum is educational.

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#252522 - 03/31/08 10:19 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: jude33]
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Read it again Matt, You have assumed wrongly.




Now you're even starting to write like med.

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Medulant statements are backed up by the existance of proof that pankration played a roll in the devolpment of ti on Okinawa. You can like it or not.




Geez......OK then, what proof? Pankration was never part of your (or Med's) argument about groundfighting in kata until *someone else* mentioned it. That is NOT proof in any way.
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#252523 - 03/31/08 10:48 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: jude33]
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"And so you Zach and who ever has an interest shall."

ok buddy, thats what i thought, lol.
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#252524 - 03/31/08 12:41 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: jude33]
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Stop sidestepping and answer the question, by the way here's the wiki page on Pankration, wanna explain how an ancient Greek art got to Okinawa for starters?

Note that there is a modern version of Pankration, and an ancient version that evidentally people don't know a whole lot about. How is any of it related to Ti?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration

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#252525 - 03/31/08 12:58 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Zach_Zinn]
Seiken Offline
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Stop sidestepping and answer the question, by the way here's the wiki page on Pankration, wanna explain how an ancient Greek art got to Okinawa for starters?

Note that there is a modern version of Pankration, and an ancient version that evidentally people don't know a whole lot about. How is any of it related to Ti?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration




If you looked into world history instead of the myth filled martial arts history you might find something.

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#252526 - 03/31/08 01:08 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Seiken]
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Yep

Nothing on the wiki link that so much as uses the word "ti" or "okinawa" or anything else like it.

It does repeat the old story of Alexander the Greats men taking PK to India and thus forming a basis for Indain martial arts.....maybe...the article goes to some pains to explains that no proofs of such an event exsist.

Abscence of proof might not be proof of abscence but we are talking about 1000's of years, multiple countries, different contintents, and a vast number of cultures here...even if it could be shown as true....hardly relevent after so much time and distance.

That combat arts all tend to share certain commonalities is also not unexpected----there is little difference in people in 2000 BCE and today, so it would, IMO, be more surprising, if there radical differnces in approach...not that there are similarities.
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#252527 - 03/31/08 06:43 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: jude33]
BrianS Offline
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It kills me that you keep misspelling medulanet.

"medulant is right."

jood is a puppet.
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#252528 - 03/31/08 07:16 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Seiken]
MattJ Offline
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If you looked into world history instead of the myth filled martial arts history you might find something.




Something you wish to share, or are you just being pointlessly obtuse, like jude?
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#252529 - 03/31/08 08:45 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: MattJ]
BrianS Offline
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If you looked into world history instead of the myth filled martial arts history you might find something.




Something you wish to share, or are you just being pointlessly obtuse, like jude?




I know!!! It's like my big sister holding something "ultra special" in her hand and she won't show me!!! Dammit!! What is it!!!
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#252530 - 03/31/08 09:15 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: BrianS]
Seiken Offline
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Not at all, just simply stating an idea. Those who are seeking may want to look into world history. Considering most history involving martial arts seems to be construed, not that world history isnt/cant be also, but it could be another path to take in finding evidence. Sorry.

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