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#252451 - 05/13/06 07:26 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: shoshinkan]
Stormdragon Who Dares Wins Professional Poster Registered: 08/05/04 Posts: 3406 Loc: Salem, OR	So if you do not have a background in grappling, or even if you do, how do you go about the process of unlocking the grappling and locking techniques within the kata? _________________________ Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,
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#252452 - 05/13/06 07:29 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
medulanet Professional Poster Registered: 09/03/03 Posts: 2142 Loc: Phoenix, Arizona USA	Let me say you NEED grappling experience/training to do any type of truly effective grappling.
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#252453 - 05/13/06 07:37 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: medulanet]
Stormdragon Who Dares Wins Professional Poster Registered: 08/05/04 Posts: 3406 Loc: Salem, OR	Well that's good because I have 2 years of high school wrestling experience and some BJJ experience. What I want to know is how to extract the techniques out of kata. _________________________ Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,
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#252454 - 05/13/06 08:42 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	Quote: What I want to know is how to extract the techniques out of kata. Time,and a good instructor. _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#252455 - 05/13/06 09:14 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: BrianS]
Stormdragon Who Dares Wins Professional Poster Registered: 08/05/04 Posts: 3406 Loc: Salem, OR	Yeah, I guess. And lot's of research. _________________________ Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,
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#252456 - 05/14/06 08:27 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
shoshinkan Professional Poster Registered: 05/10/05 Posts: 2662 Loc: UK	Tek, start with very simple applications - then 'work' them so they are effective against street styled attack, single techniques are fine to begin with, then add a technique etc etc (from the kata sequence). This will give you a good base to build from, good luck with it. _________________________ Jim Neeter www.shoshinkanuk.blogspot.com
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#252457 - 05/14/06 09:31 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: shoshinkan]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	tek? _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#252458 - 05/14/06 02:45 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: BrianS]
Stormdragon Who Dares Wins Professional Poster Registered: 08/05/04 Posts: 3406 Loc: Salem, OR	Thanks for the advice, I'll get right to work. _________________________ Member of DaJoGen MMA school under Dave Hagen and Team Chaos fight team under Denver Mangiyatan and Chris Toquero, ran out of Zanshin Martial Arts in Salem Oregon: http://www.zanshinarts.org/Home.aspx,
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#252459 - 03/27/08 12:55 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
BrianS Higher rank than you Professional Poster Registered: 11/04/05 Posts: 5959 Loc: Northwest Arkansas	Bump for going round and round again!! Edited by BrianS (03/27/08 12:57 AM) _________________________ The2nd ammendment, it makes all the others possible. <///<
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#252460 - 03/27/08 01:13 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Stormdragon]
Zach_Zinn Veteran Registered: 12/09/07 Posts: 1031 Loc: Olympia, WA	Quote: I've heard a lot of people on talk about getting their groundfighting out of kata. Also, if i'm not mistaken Iain Abernethy talks about groundfighting in kata. What do ya make uf that? No, he doesn't say that... I will quote him if you'd like: "no groundfighting holds appear within the katas, but knowledge of them is important if you wish to be able to apply the kata's methods whilst on the floor" Does that sound like he's saying he "gets his groundfighting from kata"? Taking classical kata of Okinawan karate and trying to graft groundfighting apps onto it kind of silly. Just train some groundfighting and integrate it with your Karate, it will fit just fine. Abernethy's books are great for that, he has all the simple holds and such you need to work. Far as extracting techniques you should really find a good instructor, barring that here's a book by my teacher on just that subject: http://www.ymaa.com/publishing/books/external/the_way_of_kata I've also heard Abernthy's bunkai-jutsu books are good, but I don't own them. Really there is a ton of good literature on the subject these days, however it's no substitute for a good Karate teacher. Edited by Zach_Zinn (03/27/08 01:18 AM)
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