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#252571 - 04/02/08 11:42 AM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: medulanet]
MattJ Offline
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Registered: 11/25/04
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Med -


Matt, completing the quote would be nice. Trying to prove your point by posting a portion of my post and only posting one half of the last sentence. Where is Ed and the dishonesty police when you need him? Nice.

I didn't pull the rest of your quote, as you were drifting even further off-topic.


Actually that quote was in regard to my credibility. Maybe where you are from karate credibility is only about research, but questioning my credibility is about my ability.

Here we go again. No one is questioning your ability - although video would be nice.

Just questioning your logic with the kata/groundfighting historical connections. Two different things, despite how you are trying to equate them.


Ultimately belts are only good in the dojo and all this theory and historical references are for the written word, but credibility in karate is about what you can do. Maybe where you are from it is not, but we are from different worlds, aren't we?

It must be awful for you, Med. To be the ONLY ONE HERE that ever trains on the mat or puts principles to the test. I have absolutely no idea what that must be like, being an internet keyboard warrior and all.

To quote Mr. Han, "You have my GRATITUDE!"

Would that I could help take some of that awesome weight off your shoulders......

"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#252572 - 04/02/08 03:31 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: medulanet]
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Registered: 12/09/07
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Loc: Olympia, WA
I don't doubt your ability in the least, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if your physical skills far exceed mine, and plenty of other people's on here. It sounds like you are in great shape, and well trained and skilled in more than one art.

However none of that is remotely relevant on a forum, even with video. Since we cannot actually (most of the time) train with one another in person all we have to go in arguments in the other person's words.

I don't think you've been intentionally dishonest, but I do think that you are succumbing to an MA marketing mindset where you are required to claim you art is somehow all-encompassing by doing things like claiming cross-training is not cross-training

Bottom line is on a purely academic level none of these arguments about groundfighting in kata seem to hold water. That doesn't mean that your blend of wrestling hasn't made you Karate more complete, I can certainly accept that, but it's not something that can be proved in written form on a forum.

That's the frustrating thing about forums, it really isn't about what you can "do" on them, unlike actually training. It's just about what you can write and that's it.

#252573 - 04/02/08 03:47 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Registered: 07/28/04
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It's just about what you can write and that's it.

Or draw...


#252574 - 04/02/08 04:10 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: oldman]
Zach_Zinn Offline

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Lol that is awesome....who/what is the green garbed cameltoe warrior though?

#252575 - 04/02/08 04:36 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Thats a loooooong story. Best saved for another thread.

#252576 - 04/02/08 07:38 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Registered: 08/12/04
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It's not giving credit where it's due. instead, for some reason, people place kata on a pedestal which is invisibly propped up by other arts. They wish to create the illusion that the skill came from working the kata, when much more likely, the skill was built by outside influence and applied to kata after the fact.

Where's your proof?
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#252577 - 04/02/08 11:05 PM Re: Kata groundfighting [Re: Mark Hill]
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there is no proof. it's my opinion.

(see how easy it is to say: "There are no historical connections between kata and groundfighting, but it's my opinion there are.")

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