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#251903 - 05/08/06 02:48 PM Bruce Lee demo video
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#251904 - 05/09/06 05:24 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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I love watching JKD vids, just slightly less than actually training. I've seen the one-inch punch clip so many times, has anyone here ever tried it out?

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#251905 - 05/09/06 06:02 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: PastTheWall]
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Yep, I have very little experience in it, but it did work pretty well if I remember correctly. The little Bruce Lee books talk you through it. The way you connect twice(or once then change the connectiion area), does seem like a push in some ways to me, a very short sharp push.
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#251906 - 05/09/06 07:47 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Ayub]
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The one-inch PUSH, imo.

I spent an earlier part of my life looking at various things like the one inch punch, (and chi, dim mak, ninjas and everything else). I'm of the opinion now that it doesn't work very well. Even if it did, it's not very useful. It would be MORE useful to be able to hit hard while executing good footwork as opposed to standing still and gathering your "chi" in preparation to hit.

But that's just me.



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#251907 - 05/10/06 11:02 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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While I do not consider the one inch punch to be combat useful, it is a good way to get students to understand proper body mechanics for short range punching.
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#251908 - 05/10/06 11:07 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: JKogas]
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It would be MORE useful to be able to hit hard while executing good footwork as opposed to standing still and gathering your "chi" in preparation to hit.





I agree, from my point of view I don't see how I could ever use it in a practical situation. It is an interesting demo though. For me it falls into the category of moves that are visually impressive but I'm not sure of their practicality.

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#251909 - 05/10/06 01:24 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: PastTheWall]
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It would help if you were buried alive and had to punch your way out of the coffin .
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#251910 - 05/10/06 01:29 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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While I do not consider the one inch punch to be combat useful, it is a good way to get students to understand proper body mechanics for short range punching.




OK, so BL demonstrated the one inch punch all the time, but to say it's not useful in fighting is probably closed minded. I'm not having a dig here, but many people who think they can do it really can't. It should NOT be like a sharp push, it should really whack. When you take a proper boxing straight or hook punch and shorten it to this size, there should be only minimal loss of power. Besides, it is taught not only from one inch. It is more a three inch punch, or just a punch from wherever your hand is at that moment. There are many opportunities for it in a fighting or sparring situation. You should, in fact be able to knock a person clean out with it.
Also, if you learn to make all your punches very short, you will gain a vast amount of speed. I don't nessecarily mean a short distance between your hand and the target, but a small distance your whole body moves, your hand may move up to a distance of about two and a half feet even with the shortest of bodily movements. You ever see those MAists who can knock people out with apparently very little effort, they are using the same principle.
Finally when using it as a straight punch, it's not short range. If you look at the video of Bruce doing it, you will see that his hand is nearly fully extended before the punch is thrown.
No offense to anyone, this is what a forum is for after all, and these are my views. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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#251911 - 06/14/06 01:34 PM Floating Punch [Re: jkdwarrior]
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I learned how to do this movement at a seminar with Ted Wong in 1994. Its actual name is the floating punch or the short bridge punch. It can be done from an inch away or a couple of inches away, but the idea is to channel force through the body to the extremity, the hand, and torque it vertically at just the right moment.

The traditional Chinese artists used a form of internal force they referred to as "ching", to develop for a healthy body and general fitness. One manifestation of ching was used to channel into one protruding fist, creating an explosive force with no apparent torque behind it. This is considered by many who practice internal medicine to be an abuse of the internal system and hazardous to the health since the chi is localized so much. I have read about some saying that such an abuse can even make the practitioner's internal organs fail or explode.

The way Lee did it was a deviation from the traditional way. Actually the way he did it even when he learned WC from Yip Man used a small torque to add force. When he developed the small-phasic-bent-knee stance he was able to combine the floating punch he already practiced with the new footwork dynamics. If you look at the video footage of him doing the punch at an expo in 1968, you can clearly see him pushing off from the back foot really hard and taking a very small step with it if you look closely. This is the transfer of force from the ground to the hand.

The force from this move is not a push. It actually has penetrating force. Several people in the group I was in volunteered to be hit with (and two without) a pad in front of the chest and all of them complained about chest pains for nearly a week afterwards.
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#251912 - 07/25/06 10:28 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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Rock on! Some lady over at MAP found a clip of the Full Contact demo BL did at a tournament in the 1960's (possibly Ed Parker's). According to her, the first half is apparently Bruce vs. Dan Inosanto, the second half is Bruce Vs. Taky Kimura. Not earth-shattering, but still kind of interesting.

http://www.alpinaconsulting.com/bruce/bruce_lee_sparring.mpeg
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#251913 - 07/25/06 01:37 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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Great I have never seen that in its entirity. Its extremly cocky sparring, hands low etc. Pretty good footwork though.
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#251914 - 08/10/06 01:26 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Ayub]
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This is a guy I train with sometimes,its not the greatest clip for it but I think you will agree when you see it a couple of times,that his one inch punch,although in no way is a street worthy weapon,its a powerfull display of body mechanics and certainly not a push.And he was probably goin easy.
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#251915 - 08/10/06 01:27 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Ayub]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKuXOkm09bM
Too busy talkin crap and forgot the link LOL!!!
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#251916 - 08/10/06 01:29 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: chukspinna]
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And yes I am a geek.Waaaaang is like a steel ball on the end of a chain,thats kung fu power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#251917 - 08/10/06 04:02 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: chukspinna]
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This is a guy I train with sometimes,its not the greatest clip for it but I think you will agree when you see it a couple of times,that his one inch punch,although in no way is a street worthy weapon,its a powerfull display of body mechanics and certainly not a push.And he was probably goin easy.




Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKuXOkm09bM
Too busy talkin crap and forgot the link LOL!!!




Quote:

And yes I am a geek.Waaaaang is like a steel ball on the end of a chain,thats kung fu power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Instaid of posting 3 times in a row, try editing your original post.
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#251918 - 08/10/06 04:54 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: pepto_bismol]
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Didnt realise till it was too late mate.
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#251919 - 10/11/06 12:12 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: chukspinna]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmzn-3xIp1A&mode=related&search=

Right, all I want to know is how to do that
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#251920 - 10/11/06 12:29 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Spade]
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Why?
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#251921 - 10/11/06 12:38 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Chen Zen]
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Why?




He has good speed, unless you disagree?
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#251922 - 10/11/06 12:49 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Spade]
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I dont disagree that he is fast. However, if you werent trying to hurt your opponent, as he obviously wasnt, then you would be faster right? Since you werent trying to deliver any power? Videos like these are gimmicks. He had speed. He had proper technique for a Wing Chun guy, but add resistance and power to it and it looks much different. Just my opinion though. Anyone else?
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#251923 - 10/11/06 01:05 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Chen Zen]
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I dont disagree that he is fast. However, if you werent trying to hurt your opponent, as he obviously wasnt, then you would be faster right? Since you werent trying to deliver any power? Videos like these are gimmicks. He had speed. He had proper technique for a Wing Chun guy, but add resistance and power to it and it looks much different. Just my opinion though. Anyone else?





I do agree if hr added more power, he'd lose some of the speed. I also noticed that hes attacking to the neck area, and my general thought on power is "How much do you need when striking the neck?"
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#251924 - 10/11/06 01:53 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Spade]
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Not much but thats where the resistance part comes in. Remember that an opponent isnt going to stand still with his hands down like in the demonstration. He has his guard up. He is going to move to defend and to launch his own attack on you. On top of all that you have to contend with the adrenal dump that has been placed upon you in response to the present danger. This often leads to less than precise hands and thats something you need when striking to a resisting opponent. You must be fast and accurate and under pressure it just isnt a high percentage move.
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#251925 - 10/11/06 02:27 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Chen Zen]
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I agree with Chen. Impressive speed, but he is sacrificing power to go that fast. You can not meaningfully transfer weight or engage the core at that speed.
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#251926 - 10/11/06 02:48 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Chen Zen]
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Not much but thats where the resistance part comes in. Remember that an opponent isnt going to stand still with his hands down like in the demonstration. He has his guard up. He is going to move to defend and to launch his own attack on you. On top of all that you have to contend with the adrenal dump that has been placed upon you in response to the present danger. This often leads to less than precise hands and thats something you need when striking to a resisting opponent. You must be fast and accurate and under pressure it just isnt a high percentage move.





I understand what you mean, still be neat to go that fast
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#251927 - 10/11/06 03:01 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Spade]
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#251928 - 01/28/07 09:17 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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Unfortunately Bruce, and his successors turned the one inch punch into a gimmick. First of all this type of energy has existed since IMA has been around, and second of all Bruce's display of it was elementary at best. Too much time, windup, and "externalism" in it. All it did was push the guy back, and had maybe a subtle internal effect.

There are guys out there who can do the same, with little to no movement, and instead of pushing you back, drop you on the spot.

Bruce was famous for things like this, because of how generally ignorant the Western crowd (even other oriental martial artists) were to this sort of thing. But in China, this kind of thing has existed for centuries. It was like "ooooh aaaah"

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#251929 - 04/23/07 06:46 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: BaguaMonk]
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I realize that this post is three years old and that i probably won't receive a reply; however, I am quite passionate about the realness, use, and application of the short distance punching in the manner that Bruce Lee pioneered.

I have always cringed at the nay-sayers regarding the 'one-inch punch'. It is in fact very real, and it is much more than a 'push'. Yes, it came from Gung-Fu originally, just as everything Bruce did came from some form or style. That is the point and meaning of Jeet Kune Do; to take whatever you can from any style and make it your own. Bruce himself said "reject "forms" take what is useful to you; discard the rest". Did he learn a variation of this technique while studying Gung-Fu? Yes; However, what was unique was the twist he put on it. He modified it, as he did with everything else, to make it his own and therefore better (for him at least). It does have pracital application as well. Imagine the possibilties of being able to hit an attacker with your full force from little to no distance! That holds too many possibilities to even discuss. Finally, here is some physical evidence against those who say that it is merely a push:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9iPFMriz0
This is a link to a poorly made but poignant documentary regarding the one inch punch. I put it here simply for the demonstration of the ability to break boards unsing a short-distnaced punch. Clearly not a push!
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#251930 - 04/24/07 06:37 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Aeras]
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So many different opinions just by observing a single demo done decades ago. To me the one inch punch is more like a bicep hit. It's done to momentarily stun your opponent. The demo Bruce Lee was to show how much power the one inch punch can generate, although in practical use, it is merely a stunning move. The one inch punch does not have knock out power, but it does have the kind of power to distract an opponent while jerking him back slightly, enough space so you can launch your real attacks.

If you want a good description I suggest you look into Dan Inosanto's Definitive Collection of Jeet kune Do and Filipino martial arts. He goes over the 1 inch punch there, and who better than him interpret Bruce's teachings?

For those of you who think Bruce's version of the punch was to knock someone out. Plese consider the fact that Bruce Lee considered all ranges of fighting. understanding that his wing chun lost effectiveness once the opponenet was out of range, he incorporated boxing, because boxing was a sport, he incorporated muay thai because of the intesity they practiced with.

1 inch punch jerks your back a little, giving you range to throw a power punch. What good would the 1 inch punch do if it knocked your opponent on their behinds? The punch may have the power to knock them down...possibly. but it could not knock them out. Therefore Bruce used the punch to gain space between him and his target. In order to deliver a power shot.

Once again Dan Inosanto explains it in his Definitive Collection.
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#251931 - 04/24/07 01:08 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: TeK9]
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I don't think I ever claimed that the one inch punch could result in a knockout. My reply was more to those claiming that it was merely a 'push', I believe. I agree that it is mostly a stun move. Honestly, how many attcks do we have that are 'knockout' moves in reality. I just wanted to comment more to those saying that it was merely a push. To say to those, no it is much much more. It is a way of generating power from little to no distance. And, a very storng technique to have in your arsenal because of this. Much love everybody. More thoughts on this controversial issue?
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#251932 - 12/25/07 04:00 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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#251933 - 12/26/07 01:19 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Aeras]
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1 inch punch being a knock out hit? probably difficult
however, short power is definitely something that can inflict damage and more than just a technique to create distance. Its a development of strength that the Chinese would call "ging." The power generation is something difficult to describe but it focuses lots of power into a small movement, whether it be a punch or a pulling of a hand. If "ging" is incorporated into my short distance punch then someone who is in a bad position will probably fly themselves off a few feet. If I pulled the guy then he'll fly in the other direction.

The strength that Bruce Lee demonstrated does not only translate into a 1 inch punch, but to many other movements as well. And the 1 inch punch still can deliver a powerful blow, especially if you can aim it to sensitive areas of the body (neck, ribs, pressure points, etc). Sure it may not knock someone out, but it'll definitely hurt. I say this confidently after feeling the short power of some of the people that train Southern Praying Mantis with me. Definitely wouldn't want to be on the recieving end.

Also short power allows you to move about faster, per say, because of the lesser distance your fist would need to travel compared to regular, non-short power. This would be ideal, it takes lots and lots of work to get that kind of power.
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#251934 - 09/03/08 10:26 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: PastTheWall]
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Quote:

It would be MORE useful to be able to hit hard while executing good footwork as opposed to standing still and gathering your "chi" in preparation to hit.





I agree, from my point of view I don't see how I could ever use it in a practical situation. It is an interesting demo though. For me it falls into the category of moves that are visually impressive but I'm not sure of their practicality.




Lets say your opponent has you in a Muay Thai clinch, maybe you can put your hand right next to his throat and execute a one inch punch before he can get his knee up. If you hit his adams apple in the right way, you could hurt him enough to let go of the clinch maybe even do serious damage to his throat.. There are many different ways you can use the one inch punch..come on man, think! Being creative during battle is the essence of JKD

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#251935 - 09/03/08 10:36 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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I agree with Chen. Impressive speed, but he is sacrificing power to go that fast. You can not meaningfully transfer weight or engage the core at that speed.




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#251936 - 09/04/08 05:39 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: DojiSan]
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What is your point? Did you read my post? Hand speed with no core engagement = no power.
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#251937 - 05/04/09 09:29 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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the one inch punch is very effective when someone is attempting to grapple with you. a nice short one inch punch to the sternum is a good way to make sure he does not try that again

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#251938 - 05/04/09 09:46 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Jbacs]
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Mmmmmmmkay. Because I'm sure you've tried it against some grapplers.
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#251939 - 05/04/09 01:42 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Jbacs]
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the one inch punch is very effective when someone is attempting to grapple with you. a nice short one inch punch to the sternum is a good way to make sure he does not try that again




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#251940 - 05/05/09 08:02 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Cord]
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my original background is in wrestling And yes I have tried it against a grappler. It is a good way to create seperation or to start going on the offense

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#251941 - 05/05/09 08:28 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Jbacs]
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#251942 - 05/06/09 02:43 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Jbacs]
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my original background is in wrestling And yes I have tried it against a grappler. It is a good way to create seperation or to start going on the offense




Its a nice theory, but the '1 inch punch' requires very specific biomechanics, that can only be applied if someone else isnt altering your centre of balance, or applying disruptive forces to you.

Its the same as all those cool 'effortless' pushes that you see in Tai Chi Demo's - they are not fraudulent, its just that they are very, very unlikely to be successfully applied in a live environment, where you are defending, bobbing, moving, counter striking etc.

Some of the principles behind such biomechanics can be utilised in 'gross' motor movement of fighting for sure, but all that will happen if you try a 1 inch punch when a grappler has you in a clinch, is that you will give them a jab about the strength of a 'crow peck' (remember them from school right? ).

The closest you will find to such a technique in a real fight, is timing a good short traditional jab or cross, so your oponent moves into it with their jaw. You see this sometimes with great boxers - just looks like a little 'pop!' but when you see the replay, the oponent has eaten the power of the punch direct from the hip, before it has been released through the arm.

But the bruce lee one inch punch (tm), is a parlour trick, nothing more. He used it to gain publicity, not as a fighting tool.
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#251943 - 05/06/09 07:44 AM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: Cord]
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That is an excellent point, Cord. Bruce Lee himself NEVER mentioned using the one-inch punch in actual fighting, or even in sparring.
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#432943 - 06/23/11 08:50 PM Re: Bruce Lee demo video [Re: MattJ]
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Hello, friends!

I have a kind of important question.

There seems to exist some footage of Bruce Lee sparring at the 1967 Karate Tournament, only this footage is shot from a clean and very high quality camera angle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2REVHjcrxQ)

According to this Fightingarts-dvd (http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=286) it supposedly contains "8.5 minutes of Bruce Lee demonstrating and free sparring at the 1967 Ed Parkers Long Beach International Tournament".

If that is the case, it would mean the world to me and alot of people.

Can anyone who has bought this DVD verify if it indeed contains the full sparring-session from the very same camera?

As I was saying the stuff would be priceless, and I would order this thing immedeatly, but I dont want to be snuffed and spend 30 bucks on something I can find on youtube. laugh



Thank you.


Edited by Adam friendo (06/23/11 08:54 PM)

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