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#251565 - 05/18/06 07:50 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Sten443]
Benjamin1986 Offline
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Registered: 10/17/04
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Sten, be careful about Cold Steel Videos. Their knives are good, but their sword videos are simply deceptive.

Crushing a cinder block is not proof of a good sword. It is proof of a sword's ability to act like a crowbar. But, you do not want a crowbar, you want a sword.

Their cutting demonstrations are even worse. Their target aren't standard tatami mats, but loosely rolled beach mats with a gaping hole in the center. I estimate their strength run about 1/8th of a standard tamashighiri target. However, unless you pause the video at the correct instant, you would never know this. For that reason alone, I will not buy from them. Ever.

It is one thing to exaggerate your claims slightly, but open deception cannot be tolerated in a free market.
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#251566 - 05/18/06 11:58 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Benjamin1986]
mercierarmory Offline
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Exactly. They are "claiming" you get this wonderful "free" DVD showing their products, but what they are really doing is sending you a commercial trying to show off their products so you are compelled to buy more. I like Cold Steel for their knives, but I have never handled their replica swords in person. I am still curious.

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#251567 - 05/19/06 11:09 AM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: mercierarmory]
pgsmith Offline
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I like Cold Steel for their knives, but I have never handled their replica swords in person. I am still curious.



They aren't too bad, but there are better options out there. They aren't very hard, so they tend not to keep an edge too long. The handles all tend to be a bit on the thin side, so they take adjustment to hold correctly. THe wrap has improved from their earlier stuff, but it still has a tenency to loosen and shift (bad news!). There are other companies that make better Japanese style swords, so I don't generally recommend those from Cold Steel.
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#251568 - 08/31/06 02:53 AM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: pgsmith]
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where do u guys advise i buy a quality sword, even better how about a replica sword- and if there are no quality replicas then where can i find a katana around 68in (masamune)

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#251569 - 08/31/06 09:39 AM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Sol]
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where do u guys advise i buy a quality sword




To be used how? Is it just for show? Do you want to be able to actually join a dojo and train with it? Will you just be hacking up the bushes in you're back yard?

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, even better how about a replica sword- and if there are no quality replicas then where can i find a katana around 68in (masamune)




Whether or not there are any "quality" replicas, goes back to the previous questions. Quality in what regards? Most of the wallhangers I've seen have been usuited to anything but well, wallhanging. Actually most aren't suited to that as they are utterly hideous.

What in the world do you want with a 68 inch sword? Can I assume you mean total overall length and not blade lenght(which is the usual method of measurement). A applying the 1/3rd rule which states that the tsuka should be roughly 1/3rd the total length of the blade, then a 68" overall length sword would have a 17" handle. Excessive by most measures. There are only a bare handful of schools left which use a sword anywhere near those proportions. None in the US to my knowledge.

Could you're proportions be off? The overall length on most katana used in modern practice are within a two or three inches of 40.

As I mentioned before, usually katana are measured based on the distance between the mune machi and the kissaki.

If I'm using words you don't know, head over to Richard Stein's Japanese Sword Index (Google it) and there are a couple of glossary's and an awful lot of other really good articles to read.
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#251570 - 08/31/06 02:27 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Sol]
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where can i find a katana around 68in (masamune)




Masamune was a swordsmith, not a type of a sword. A good start would be to get your information about japanese swords in books about japanese swords, not video games about mega corporations that suck the lifeblood of an imaginary planet.

If you want to learn japanese swordsmanship, then feel free to ask questions about that or where you can find a sensei. If you want to have sephiroth's sword, do a google search and ask on anime discussion boards.

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#251571 - 08/31/06 02:32 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Sol]
Benjamin1986 Offline
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Sorry, but the only Japanese style sword I know of that length has has already sold (search that page for "Warlord"). They don't make them that long for a very obvious reason; they are very hard to handle. The only reason that 11 lb behemoth was wieldable was due to the 2 1/2 foot grip. It was designed as the ultimate cutting sword, and it does that beautifully, but your arms tire to uselessness after less than five minutes of use.

You refer to the super-long katana as a "masamune", so that tells me one very important thing. You are not Sephiroth; Sephiroth's sword never existed, and Masamune is a legendary swordsmith who forged regular katana, not the name of a specific sword type.

The style is called Odachi, temple sword. The only such blades of that length (or longer) were forged for dedication to a temple as an offering to the heavens and as a display of the smith's skill. A katana of that length is not wide enough to support the stresses of the blade, turning an already fragile weapon (due to the differential temper) into a useless one. Before you ask, no, the Buster sword is not real either.

For good traditional katana, go to Bugei or Swordstore. For less traditional ones, go to Angelsword. For cheaper ones that aren't bad, go to Angus Trim. Avoid anything that says stainless, stay clear of the Paul Chen Practical series, and read the rest of the posts in this thread.
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#251572 - 08/31/06 02:53 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: Charles Mahan]
splice Offline
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What in the world do you want with a 68 inch sword? Can I assume you mean total overall length and not blade lenght(which is the usual method of measurement). A applying the 1/3rd rule which states that the tsuka should be roughly 1/3rd the total length of the blade, then a 68" overall length sword would have a 17" handle. Excessive by most measures. There are only a bare handful of schools left which use a sword anywhere near those proportions. None in the US to my knowledge.





Charles, we aren't talking about anything remotely related to japanese swordsmanship or schools thereof. The so-called masamune is a sword from the playstation game "Final Fantasy 7". I don't know where the size comes from, but seeing that pretty much every replica quotes it, it must be from a databook on the game.

In other words, "where can I find the best wallhanger replica from this game", not "where can I find a real japanese sword that's 68 inches long".

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#251573 - 08/31/06 03:07 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: splice]
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The so-called masamune is a sword from the playstation game "Final Fantasy 7".




Also 'SoulEdge', as wielded by Mitsurugi.

Why, yes, I am a geek. Thank you for noticing!

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#251574 - 08/31/06 04:43 PM Re: King of swords, some questions. [Re: splice]
cxt Offline
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Splice

That being the case---then perhaps the poster should have been a bit more specific and actually mentioned the game itself.

I'm kinda freaked that anyone would assume that "I" would just kinda "know" what he was getting at from an obscure game reference.

(I may well be a geek, but I'm not a geek of the "gamer" species-I'm a different phyli altogahter )

I have a couple of nephews that are glued to their playstations morning noon and night---and I was not sure what he was asking either.

For all I know the guy just figured that the Game used actual ie "real" blades as models.

Don't think Charles was "off" in his response at all.

We live we learn


Edited by cxt (08/31/06 04:47 PM)
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