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#251151 - 05/05/06 12:38 PM A Literary Challenge!
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I thought it might be interesting to have a literary challenge for those of you who love to read the asian classics based in philosophy, religion, and/or martial arts.
There are only two rules that must be abided by to keep the game (opps, I mean challenge) interesting.
1. By no means is anyone to cheat by Googling it or using any other internet search engines.
2. The first person to get the challenge quote correct, must start the next challenge quote.
3. If no one can answer a challenge correctly, hints to the source may be given until it's answered or everyone actively participating "Gives up".
That said, I'll start the challenge with this quote:
"Soil with a lot of manure in it produces abundant crops; water that is too clear has no fish. Therefore, enlightened people should maintain the capacity to accept impurities and should not be solitary perfectionists."
Let the challenge begin....
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#251152 - 05/05/06 01:15 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: Uchinanchu]
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Quote:

"Soil with a lot of manure in it produces abundant crops; water that is too clear has no fish. Therefore, enlightened people should maintain the capacity to accept impurities and should not be solitary perfectionists."




I'm reading that quote for the first time, so I have no idea who wrote it.

but the message of it is clear to me... swimming in your own toilet produces abundant enlightened fish.

did I get that right?

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#251153 - 05/05/06 01:22 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: Ed_Morris]
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fish=carp

enlightened fish=carpe diem?

Sorry for the silliness. HEY...all you literate MA bums...stop reading that anime, turn of the Jet Li flick...and get over here!

I don't know...it's not poetic enough to be the Dhammapada?

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#251154 - 05/05/06 01:24 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed, (Or do you prefer Mr. Morris?)
You sound like you are on the fast track to enlightenment. Just don't forget to flush.
and no, that's not the answer. Maybe you should go back to the beginning and try again?
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#251155 - 05/05/06 02:06 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: harlan]
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Harlan,

Keep trying. The root of the problem may come to you if you talk it through. Now I'm off to attend my vegitables.
(By the way that was the second hint.)
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#251156 - 05/05/06 02:31 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: Uchinanchu]
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('Supreme GrandMaster Ed' is fine. lol...just 'Ed'.)

well, my first try was wrong...but you know what? I won't take it as a flaw, I'll accept it and realize that I'm on my way to getting closer to the truth. I may never arrive at the truth, but an honest pursuit of it is what I accept.

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#251157 - 05/05/06 02:34 PM Re: A Literary Challenge! [Re: Uchinanchu]
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When I think of the root of something, I think of the source and that makes me think of the Ox herding koan. Which it isn't.

Sounds preachy to me...like old world Chinese...Confucian or Daoist.

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#251158 - 05/05/06 06:24 PM Just to offer a suggestion... [Re: harlan]
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Not to be a party pooper, but I don't know if this is gonna work very well. I mean, anyone can find some unrealistically obscure quote by Huanchu Daoren or someone like that and the chances of it being identified are gonna be impractically low, especially considering that the quote will be one of several possible translations since we are talking about quotes not originally in English. Seems too hard to be 'fun'. Why not do the same, but instead of identifying it, have folks analyze the meaning of the quote? The person posting it would presumably be familiar wtih the meaning and could guide the discussion.
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#251159 - 05/06/06 01:18 AM Re: Just to offer a suggestion... [Re: kusojiji]
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And the first round goes to Kusojiji!
You are correct, it was from Haunchu Daoren's 'Back To Beginnings' originally entitled "Vegitable Root Talks".
My hat is off to you sir. Sorry, I suppose that was a bit more difficult to figure out than I had planned on.
I like your idea, though the reason I started this thread was to challenge those of us who have an interest in the asian classics.
Tell you what, since you won the first challenge round, let's modify the parameters. You choose the next quote as stated in the original challenge rules. We all discuss what we think the meaning of it means, and IF anyone by any chance happens to know where the quote originated (book and/or author), that person chooses the next quote to discuss.
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#251160 - 05/06/06 03:53 AM Re: Just to offer a suggestion... [Re: Uchinanchu]
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A fair compromise.

Ok, here goes: "There is error in the midst of conforming to reason, and reason in the midst of error. One should understand this well."
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