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#249974 - 05/16/06 01:01 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: Martialist]
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Okay... This is my first post so I may mess this up... Anyway, I would like to say that I agree with the "one punch, one kill" theory. Though it would need to be applied through pressure points with power and accuracy.

First off boxers and UFC guys shouldn't count. They are not fighting for survival, they are fighting for a paycheck or because they just like to. So the seriousness is gone. Also, they wear gloves which will take away from the force to the pressure points.

Which brings me to my theory. If pressure points are 1 AU by 1 AU (which is the thickness of your index finger) then power to them would be diffused by hitting them with a larger object, i.e. a fist in a boxing glove. If you punch someone with, say, 40 lbs of force to a pressure point with your knuckle (or eye of the phoenix, both appox. 1 AU) it would do 40 lbs of pressure. Now take the same force with a boxing glove. Just say, for the sake of argument, that a boxing gloves area could fit 10 AU. Now you 40 lbs punch just decreased to 4 lbs to that pressure point! This is why I believe that there are no common, everyday death cases in boxing and UFC.

Lay down on the ground and have someone drop a bowling ball from 2ft on the center of your chest... it hurts... bad. But take a .22 cal bullet and shoot it to the same point and it will kill you. Speed, power and accuracy in a strike to the right pressure point will kill in one punch.

There are pressure points that if struck the person can be knocked out and die unless they get a revival technique. Also, points that once activated could kill in days. "One Punch, One Kill" never said anything about a time limit

Not easy, but who said it should be.




Reality of it all is, most boxers/fighters hit harder than 40lbs of pressure... more like 500-1500 lbs so now your back to sqaure one... a boxer who hits with 500 lbs of pressure is still hitting more than 4lbs to that pressure point ... Have you EVER been hit by someone wearing boxing gloves ?? How about MMA gloves ?? Honestly, those guys are more serious about what they do than you probaly are about what you do... I firmly believe in the "one punch, one kill" theory... but come on now... you know what its like to be in a real confrontation ?? Most people forget their own name, let alone how to properly strike and finish an opponent off with tiny ass pressure points, and im sure weve all written, heard and said our name more than practiced any technique!

Do yourself a favor, get into a small exhibition bout between a boxer or MMA guy.. then come back and tell me its not about survival.
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#249975 - 05/16/06 02:07 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: Martialist]
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rediculous examples.

also, any 'psi' numbers have to backed up with data or reference to a study...even if it was your own, not picked out of a hat. if you are guessing, then say so...bad information spreads like herpes on the internet. bad comparisons (dropping a bowling ball vs. a fired bullet???) are like watching comparitive absorbancy tests on paper towel commercials.

one punch, one kill challenge:
1st: measure how hard the hardest hitter punches.
2nd: measure how hard and where it takes to kill someone with reproducable results.

guess what? the 2nd item, you'll never ever find data for. know why? because the study has never been done.

we hear accident reports in news stories...so of course one hit is possible to kill someone. is it reproducable or even likely? again, no reproducable data. The closest you got is the baseball to the chest during a microsecond window...since there is no way even a psychic MAists would know an opponents precise EKG in order to reproduce that result....I'd call it 'unlikely' at best. the chances are better of getting hit by lightning....but there are some who claim they can do that too.

'ikken hissatsu' is a metaphore....as in "All the world's a stage".

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#249976 - 05/16/06 02:10 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: GuitarNinja]
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Guitarnija said it well!

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#249977 - 05/16/06 03:58 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: butterfly]
shuri Offline
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chuck norris could kill in one punch

but seriously it must be possible that a very strong experienced person could kill in one punch

my logic
could someone kill a baby in one punch, yes, why they are just a baby no defence very fragile
could they kill a 5 year old yes, still very fragile and not defencive
a ten year old, yes, more difficult though
at what point does it become impossible to kill i say it doesnt
people are basically frail and with the perfect punch lets say foreknuckles to throat or an incredibly hard punch to the chin at the correct angle yes you could kill someone it would however be very difficult i think


Edited by shuri (05/16/06 03:59 PM)
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#249978 - 05/16/06 04:10 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: shuri]
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#249979 - 05/16/06 11:48 PM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: GuitarNinja]
Martialist Offline
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Alright...

If you guys got hung up on the numbers then you missed my point. All I was trying to say is that the force to a pressure point would be less as the striking surface area got higher.

Please understand that I was not trying to put MMA guys or boxers down. They are great athletes.

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#249980 - 09/06/06 01:04 AM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: BrianS]
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absolutly it is possible to kill a person with one punch , in the olden days people used to prove the power of there punch by punching a bull in the head and in many cases they would kill the bull in one hit so if that is possible then i think someone who has achieved such a powerful punch would have no trouble at all killing a man in one punch. the problem is that someone that powerful is very hard to find now adays
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#249981 - 09/06/06 01:16 AM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: yamaguchi]
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I am not disagreeing with the possibility to end the life of the opponent with one strike. I would like to know where you got the information to the "killing a Bull with a strike" story. I know Mas Oyama use to fight a Bull, but kill it, not on a good day. That man could punch. There was a Yoshukai guy who took on a Tiger, but this was with weapons. I would love to see written documentation of this, with some back up like pictures.
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#249982 - 09/06/06 03:49 AM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: PaulHart]
ANDY44 Offline
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I am not disagreeing with the possibility to end the life of the opponent with one strike. I would like to know where you got the information to the "killing a Bull with a strike" story. I know Mas Oyama use to fight a Bull, but kill it, not on a good day. That man could punch.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UMkvcPpF1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FteS-NxwXsA

Guys you will have to draw your own conclusion about the bull thing

Hi Paul

I dont believe the one punch theory.To knock an attacker out yeah. All this talk about pressure points etc. I think the JKA perhaps what they meant was to train each technique as though it could?

Im not to sure about the bull theory, he was a skilled man but no way can any man match the strenght of a bull. Maybe an old bull?

Either way i cant see the point.


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#249983 - 09/06/06 03:58 AM Re: One punch,one kill [Re: GuitarNinja]
ANDY44 Offline
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Do yourself a favor, get into a small exhibition bout between a boxer or MMA guy.. then come back and tell me its not about survival.




Its is about survival sometimes for the boxers and MMA,s and the third person getting in to the exibition bout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgKRt81khM&NR

Think the ref needs work on his punching? technique? and social skills.

nice take down or rather throw out
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