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#249487 - 06/18/08 06:38 AM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: JasonM]
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I'm sure i have a joke about this....but i'm also sure it would be blasphemy... :-P
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#249488 - 06/18/08 01:40 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: TKD-Skippi]
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i dunno what all tkd people think. i just understood that it was all martial and no art....y'know only good for self defence....tkd or any traditional MA and you might spend years studying and training, KM you can learn pretty quick....

all i could see was the original post when i replied...*sigh* computers.....




This is the problem I've always had with KM and alot of mma in general. They think they can learn how to properly do things quickly. Sorry, it takes time to develop good techniques.
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#249489 - 06/18/08 02:31 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: BrianS]
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I dunno about that.

Maybe I am just an exception since I already had a karate background and excellent base before I tried Krav. But some, just take more than outhers.
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#249490 - 06/18/08 09:16 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: BrianS]
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It has everything to do with the student, some learn it very quickly, and some need more time. In the whole scheme of things, Krav Maga ( and the like) can be learned faster than most other styles.
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#249491 - 06/19/08 12:12 AM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: Dedicated1]
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It has everything to do with the student, some learn it very quickly, and some need more time. In the whole scheme of things, Krav Maga ( and the like) can be learned faster than most other styles.




That's most likely true. No kata to perfect, no tradition to adhere to,etc...Quicker to get to the actual 'combat.'
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#249492 - 06/19/08 06:18 AM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: BrianS]
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...Quicker to get to the actual 'combat.'





Brian, that's it exactly. That is how MMA does it as well. And from judging by what I've seen, you did the right thing by putting the word "combat" in quotations.

But as much as I respect you and your opinion, I have to disagree slightly with your stance on MMA.

I say slightly because I agree that it takes time to develop good technique. I just don't think that has anything to do with kata (not saying that you were implying otherwise).

I do believe that there is a lot of garbage MMA out there. However I believe this is because there are a lot of people fighting without solid fundamentals.

Technique is simple. Its simple to understand the importance of bringing a punch back along the same line it went out on. Its simple to understand the need to stay balanced when moving, etc.

The problem is, there are a lot of knuckleheads involved in pro fighting who have more brawn power than they do brain power. That doesn't mean MMA is bad, it just means that they are.

I believe wholeheartedly that MMA training is not a "style". This may help clear up some confusion (but might create more). Its just the blending of ranges, done without the trappings of a traditional martial art (or in my opinion, all the things that delay actual progress). This is why I believe that its possible to "create" a more functional fighter, more quickly, than through traditional means.

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#249493 - 06/19/08 03:11 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: JKogas]
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John,

I don't think techniques are that simple. It takes time to develop a proper punch or kick. It's not as simple as moving it along the same line. With good technique, practice, and understanding of body mechanics more powerful techniques can be done.

Sloppy basics lead to sloppy techniques.
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