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#249447 - 04/27/06 07:05 PM Krav's "bad rep"
SilkyFighter Offline
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Hello everyone, I just became a member of FA.com, and I am a fairly new Krav practitioner (I am about to do my level 2 test a week from Saturday! )

Anyway:
Recently I have been going onto various martial-talk websites and it seems that Krav has a bad rep with some other MAists. Could it possibly be because they feel threatened by Krav? Half of the people Krav-bashing say they have never experienced Krav first hand, just only read about it in some magazine. Why do they throw out false accusations?
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#249448 - 04/27/06 07:47 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: SilkyFighter]
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I think Krav's marketing scheme is the main culprit. That and the fact that most people know it from a J.Lo movie or Angelina Jolie. I practice it, but I'll admit I'm not too into the marketing myself. The fees schools pay to teach it are exhorbitant and from what I've seen, it's pretty much a requirement that they stock their gear shelves with KM brand gear. The spin offs aren't much better - FIGHT, Commando KM, etc. seemed to be obsessed with giving people some false sense of military empowerment. They seem to all claim "we're ex-IDF and we wear cammo, therefore our system is gold!!!"
I am NOT bashing the arts themselves. They are HIGHLY effective and advantageous to the public in the sense that they rely on gross motor skills over fine motor skills (thanks for that one awhile back, RangerG). You can learn Krav effectively and quickly and then fine tune it into what works best for you. Like most things MA these days though, it's hung up on selling images. KM is not alone in that, but since it's the new flava in the sweet shop, it gets called out on it more.

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#249449 - 04/27/06 07:49 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: SilkyFighter]
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Hi Silky.

KM does have a bad rap amongst many of the "alive" training folks. They consider that any art that does not train against resistance most of the time to be virtually worthless.

This would include many arts besides KM.

Personally, I don't like to bash particular arts because I have seen many instructors of different arts that do train their students properly (ie; adding resistance).

Bottom line is, if you enjoy the training, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
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#249450 - 04/27/06 08:03 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: MattJ]
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I can gurentee you that, despite what peopel tend to say, KM may not be perfect but for realistic self defense, it's lightyears ahead of most everything else out there(at least as far as "traditional" martial arts are concerned. It is definetely worth it. Listen to what experienced practitioners say, not what some nobody got from a book or two(Oh crap I'm one of those nobody's! oops!lol).
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#249451 - 04/27/06 08:20 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: MattJ]
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MattJ, what do you mean by Krav having no resistance training?
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#249452 - 04/27/06 08:54 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: SilkyFighter]
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?????????

Please re-read my post, that is not what I said.

Resistance to me is sparring or sparring related drills.
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#249453 - 04/27/06 10:24 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: Stormdragon]
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#249454 - 04/27/06 10:42 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: MattJ]
SilkyFighter Offline
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Well I guess it just what Krav school you train at because my school offers the FIGHT program. All we do in that program is well, fight (spar). It has boxing, kickboxing, and groundfighting classes on top of the self-defense program and an endurance training program.
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#249455 - 04/27/06 10:46 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: MattJ]
SilkyFighter Offline
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I apologize, I just re-read your earlier post after I relpied and I see what you are saying. It really doesn't matter to me what other people think. Based off of the other martial arts I have been involved with, Krav has the most to-the-point approach to combat I have experienced. I like the no nonsense attitude.
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#249456 - 04/27/06 11:20 PM Re: Krav's "bad rep" [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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I wouldn't proclaim KM to be gold, but I wager it's pretty close to it. Seriously, it's a really great system because of it's grounding in today's reality. The reason KM's bashed is it's probably the most well known of all combatatives, and since it's really the combatatives with which hardcore traditional MAs take exception, it's easy to see why KM is the scapegoat. As far as a false sense of empowerment, that's more indicative of the instructors than the system, whether it's KM or something else. If you want to talk about a real sense of overzealous empowerment...well, let's just say some loyalists of certain traditional MA systems wouldn't like it.

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