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#248740 - 04/28/06 02:06 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: BuDoc]
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#248741 - 04/28/06 02:35 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: GuitarNinja]
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I'm sure that Royce has evolved as well. his stand up game may be far beetter than anyone expects. I hope it is true.

The reality is that Royce was a Jiu-jitsu ka, then a fighter, then an author,businessman,and seminar host, and now a fighter again. Alot has changed about the game since he was on the periphery.

Matt Hughes, by my limited understanding, has always been and continues to be a fighter.

Again, Royce is my hero. I want desperately for heart to win over all(I'm a hopeless romantic), but the reality is known when looking at the plus/minus column.

When talking trash with boys at the bar, I'd give you a hundred reasons why Royce will win that fight. That's the heart talkin'.

When I step up to the window and it's time to lay down the Cheddar, the head says Hughes.

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#248742 - 04/28/06 03:43 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: BuDoc]
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The thing about Royce is, he is really limited athletically. LOOK at him, then look at Hughes....

Royce has NEVER had good stand-up because he just doesn't have the athleticism for it. That's why his clinch and ground skills looked shakey to me (I have rolled with Royce whole wearing a gi and he knows his game there). Matt Hughes will NOT be wearing a gi however.

Matt has SEEN armbars from the guard. He's seen triangles. He's seen sweeps. There is no magical difference between the way that Royce does them and everyone else. Their "secrets" have been out for a long time.

At THIS level, it all comes down to who is better able to impose their own games, not who is able to "catch" the other with something that he's never seen before.

Look at those two and see who you think will be better able to impose his game.

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#248743 - 04/28/06 05:02 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: JKogas]
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I pretty much agree, its just im SOO hopeful gracie wins, cause it still means better technique at something can still beat a bigger, stronger, faster opponent who isnt as good.

When it comes down to it, will hughes try to win by submission just to say "I tapped out royce" or just beat his face in repeatedly ? Is his trademark slam going to play a roll ? I definately think so, I feel when royce tries to go to the ground matt will slam him for a good KO or stun, then finish the job with strikes.

Im so anxious about this fight I cant make up my mind on anything!!!
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#248744 - 04/28/06 05:19 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: GuitarNinja]
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GuitarNinja wrote:
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I pretty much agree, its just im SOO hopeful gracie wins, cause it still means better technique at something can still beat a bigger, stronger, faster opponent who isnt as good.





I know what you’re saying. But that’s just it….Hughes is “just as good”. That’s what I’ve basically been saying. In these days, the majority of the major league MMA guys have all the right skills. The winner is determined by who is better able to impose his game on his opponent.

When everything is equal, the body is the determining factor (size, strength, conditioning, etc). I truly believe that in terms of fighting skill, Hughes is every bit as good (if not much better) than Royce Gracie. My thing is, Gracie’s technique isn’t really all that impressive (to me). Hughes impresses me every time OUT.

And it’s NOT because of his strength either. Sure the guy is strong, but so was Riggs (his last opponent who in fact, may have even been stronger). Hughes isn’t WINNING with his strength so much as he is with technique.

IMO, “better technique” is still going to win out over strength in most cases. When you’re that much better skill wise than your opponent, it does mean a lot!


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When it comes down to it, will Hughes try to win by submission just to say "I tapped out royce" or just beat his face in repeatedly ? Is his trademark slam going to play a roll ? I definately think so, I feel when royce tries to go to the ground matt will slam him for a good KO or stun, then finish the job with strikes.

Im so anxious about this fight I cant make up my mind on anything!!!





Well, while I think that Royce isn’t the greatest athlete in the game, the guy IS smart. I don’t think he’s going to do anything to put himself in a bad position where a slam or what-have-you might be possible. That’s the thing about Royce, he uses his BRAIN. Of course, so does Hughes who is ALSO an intelligent fighter.

I don’t know if Hughes will be able to win with strikes though. Royce’s ground defense is pretty good. And I don’t know if Hughes will be able to get a submission for the same reason. I think Hughes will win by decision, not submission.


Who knows…


-John

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#248745 - 04/28/06 10:25 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: JKogas]
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When's the fight?
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#248746 - 04/28/06 10:43 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: BrianS]
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#248747 - 04/28/06 11:27 PM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: JKogas]
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May 27th.....
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#248748 - 04/29/06 02:02 AM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: JKogas]
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This will be a difficult fight for ol'Royce. For one thing, he's not fighting under "his" rules. He'll be fighting with no gi (usually fights with a gi), UFC 5 minute rounds (usually urges for longer rounds or, like his match with sakuraba, no rounds at all), and there will be judges (this is perhaps the biggest concern of all "his" rules, that the fight not be decided by judges).

Having said all that, I could see Gracie submitting Matt from his guard. His stand-up is suspect and he certainly doesn't have a chin like Cro Cop or Fedor. If he were facing George St. Pierre, I'd feel more nervous for Royce.

But Matt is no slouch! He's gonna take it to Royce and hand him his first real loss in the UFC...via GnP.

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#248749 - 04/29/06 06:13 AM Re: Gracie vs. Hughes [Re: SEAL]
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UFC 5 minute rounds




Royce's odds are looking slimmer and slimmer as this thread goes on. Does Royce need his opponent to be wearing a GI to be able to pull guard? Cause I remember JKogas pointed out that his takedowns aint too good...maybe it won't even go to the ground?
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