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#248579 - 04/25/06 06:11 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: who238]
Cord Offline
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A great boxer would beat a poor MT fighter. A fabulous MT fighter would beat a lesser boxer.

its the person, not the style, that wins a fight.

Love what you train in, strive to be the best you can, and you give yourself the best 'fighting chance' you can, irrespective of the art.
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#248580 - 05/06/06 03:41 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Cord]
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How about a fabulous boxer vs. a fabulous MT fighter?
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#248581 - 05/06/06 04:20 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Stormdragon]
Cord Offline
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How about a fabulous boxer vs. a fabulous MT fighter?




Would depend on who controlled the range and pace of the fight, and who had the better footwork/defence on the day.

again, style vs style hypothesis is useless.
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#248582 - 05/07/06 02:28 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Cord]
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It's hte fighter not hte style, and that's a fact. It's all heart strength and skill.
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#248583 - 05/09/06 06:58 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Stormdragon]
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i think it's kind of cool that geographically seperated areas came to similar training methods. it seems to validate these stand up styles we're talking about and make it difficult to compare theme in a style vs style match.

but some style vs style comparisons are fun if the styles are wildly different. i saw a funny video of Drunken Style Kung Fu vs. Kyokushin Karate and the Kung Fu guy got trashed. but boxer vs MT? it's the fighter.
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#248584 - 05/10/06 11:14 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Cord]
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I wish I knew how other Muay Thai academies train. We have a reputation of being terrible at throwing punches. At the Muay Thai academy I attend, we work hard on our punches. A lot of the time, we have sparring matches with boxing rules. No knees, kicks or elbows and no clinch.

This whole arguement is flawed. Based on the information provided, my money is on the Thai boxer. Most American kickboxers and Western boxers don't condition their legs to take blows. One or two well placed kicks to the leg and they probably wouldn't want to fight anymore.

Also, Thai boxers have a range advantage. At long range we have our kicks, mid range we have punches, a few kicks and some possibility of a straight knee and up extremely close we have our elbows, knees plus the clinch. In a straight boxing match, my money would obviously go on the boxer. Anything else and I'd probably go with the Muay Thai guy. It's hard to punch from a clinch and a clinch can be tricky to escape if you don't know how to break it. American kickboxers have the best of both worlds. They train punches like a Western boxer and have Muay Thai's kicks with the exception of leg kicks and knees. It's anyone's game. I personally prefer Muay Thai. At least I prefer the way that my academy teaches it. I could very possibly hate it anywhere else.

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#248585 - 05/16/06 02:38 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Tower_Bloodthorn]
bin Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
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Loc: NJ, USA
So basically most of the time the kickboxer will win due to most boxers' lack of experience with leg kicks... right? That's basically what I got from this video + your opinions.

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#248586 - 05/23/06 10:53 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: bin]
wauteep Offline
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Registered: 05/23/06
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Loc: USA
First of all the type of training one goes through affects how good of a Muay Thai Kickboxer or Boxer one is. You can't compare a really good boxer w/ a MT guy who has ok hand skills.

My Kru has legs of steel and really sharp knee and shin bones. If a boxer comes in he will literally disable your legs before the opponent can get a punch in. Though I'm not going to doubt a boxer if he can get into his comfortable range.

And someone brought up that a boxer can take on an MMA fighter, I really don't think so. If we're talking about a pure boxer, it's all gonna be meaningless if they get taken to the ground. Boxers aren't allowed to do much when they meet in a clinch situation, and don't know anything about ground skills.

The punches of a boxer are probably perfect but that won't let them adapt with any situation.

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#248587 - 05/23/06 10:57 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: wauteep]
wauteep Offline
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Registered: 05/23/06
Posts: 10
Loc: USA
I don't know why I typed all that...I don't like "style" comparisons. haha, but I train muay thai and I love it. that's all that matters.

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#248588 - 05/24/06 11:07 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: wauteep]
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Loc: New York City
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