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#248569 - 04/24/06 04:08 PM Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT
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All things being equal. Boxer vs KB/MT - KB/MT would win as boxer wouldn't know how to handle kicks and knees. Boxer would win if distance was closed.

All thing being equal and no kicks or knees, boxer would win due to training exclusively on fists.

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#248570 - 04/24/06 04:35 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: who238]
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OK, it's settled then.

Is there a point to this thread?
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#248571 - 04/24/06 04:48 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: MattJ]
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Well, you can't argue with that. Well thought out, elequoently put, entirely too relevant, and profound in the extreme...

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#248572 - 04/24/06 05:38 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: who238]
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Quote:

All things being equal. Boxer vs KB/MT - KB/MT would win as boxer wouldn't know how to handle kicks and knees. Boxer would win if distance was closed.

All thing being equal and no kicks or knees, boxer would win due to training exclusively on fists.







I've seen boxers eat UP Thai fighters. Better punching was the difference.

It wouldn't take very long to prepare a good boxer to face a muay Thai fighter. All he REALLY has to learn to deal with are the clinch elbows, and they aren't allowed in every fight. You can move IN on kicks pretty easily.

Hands deliver more pressure than feet/legs. More numbers delivered at a faster pace. Just simple physics.



-John

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#248573 - 04/24/06 06:22 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: JKogas]
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Indeed, I dont care how good my kicks, my elbows, or knees are, mike tyson will always kick my ass, and someone half the skill/strength/size/speed would probaly do the same, lol.

Its just common sense that a good boxers hands will probaly always be better than anyone elses, regardless of style. Why ? Because they are training them, and only them, more time is spent on accuracy, speed, timing, power, technique, and overall hand fluency.

I cant wait til a world class boxer (ie: mayweather level ) jumps into a MMA bout. I think alot of people would be amazed at just how good world class boxers really are. Look how fast Vitor Belfort took out Vanderlei Silva at UFC Brazil, and hes not even half as good as most top ranked boxers.

This is not to say they would always win, because its not possible, no one has super powers, except maybe that guy in the Taiji video under the MA styles video section.

Either way, without everything your
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#248574 - 04/24/06 06:29 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: GuitarNinja]
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Its just common sense that a good boxers hands will probably always be better than anyone elses, regardless of style. Why ? Because they are training them, and only them, more time is spent on accuracy, speed, timing, power, technique, and overall hand fluency.




Thatís why I believe ya gotta train boxing. I spend more time on my hands than anything else as far as stand-up goes (not that I'm a world class boxer or anything...).

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I cant wait til a world class boxer (ie: mayweather level ) jumps into a MMA bout. I think alot of people would be amazed at just how good world class boxers really are.




Limited window of opportunity. Boxing doesnít allow grappling. I just donít believe that as good as boxers can be, they couldnít control the clinch or ground. Liddell is able to do so only because heís a good wrestler.


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Look how fast Vitor Belfort took out Vanderlei Silva at UFC Brazil, and hes not even half as good as most top ranked boxers.




Belfort was aspiring to be on the Brazilian Olympic team. He wasnít that bad. Boxing isnít MMA however. Differences are huge.

I think Silva wins in a rematch.


-John

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#248575 - 04/24/06 07:26 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: JKogas]
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I train boxing hard! Really only focus on kick defense, but my clinch and hands are where I like to thrive. In every other aspect of my current mma training, I really only train defense, or how to get a dominant position in order to stand up again. I'm short, but I'd rather just be close on the stand up than be on the ground with a taller opponent.
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#248576 - 04/25/06 11:18 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: who238]
Taison Offline
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This thread is pointless, but still, I will let it run for a while see if it can be civilized. If it doesn't, you get the blame (Kidding dude, I'll just lock the thread).

-Taison out
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#248577 - 04/25/06 11:59 AM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: who238]
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thankyou for clearing that up for me who

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#248578 - 04/25/06 02:08 PM Re: Boxer vs Kick Boxer/MT [Re: Supremor]
who238 Offline
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Just wondering what boxer, KB and MT guys thought about this and how it influenced their training.

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