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#248330 - 04/23/06 04:53 PM Pencak Silat
Timeless Offline
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Registered: 12/17/05
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I just wanted a lil space to talk and share comments on Indonesian Pencak Silat.
Does anyone practise this concept in eiher empty hand or with weapons, such as the Karambit.

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#248331 - 04/25/06 11:44 AM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Timeless]
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Not yet, but I am hoping to get some exposure soon to Mandae Muda Silat. There is an instructor who seems pretty knowledgeable in the area. It will take me about an hour or so to drive to him for lessons, but from what I have seen, it will be worth the trip. I am thinking about private lessons once a month or so. With travel and time limitations, that is all I can do. I will post more once I start taking lessons.

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#248332 - 04/25/06 06:45 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Timeless]
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A friend of mine attended a Pencak Silat seminar with Steve Benitez in the UK, and was greatly impressed by the style and the training, sadly he had to travel a long way for the oppertunity so couldnt make it a regular part of his training, he still talks about it from time to time 2 years down the line, so it made quite an impression.
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#248333 - 04/26/06 02:27 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Cord]
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I completed a class of Pukulan Cimande Pencak Silat before christmas, it was great! I am getting a chance to go back in May (my judo schedule got in the way, but its all sorted now).I realize now how lucky I am to have a genuine class in my area.

It is like nothing I have ever seen before, and I have studied: Jiu Jitsu, Tai Chi Chuan, TKD, Wado Ryu, Aikido, Tai Jutsu, Boxing, and of course judo! The ground work is wonderful, a lot of it is done with the legs.

Here is a clip. It is a demo clip of course, and there is no sound. It has been posted on these forums before. Again, would like to point out this is only a demo:

http://www.pecahan.com/mmdemo.WMV
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#248334 - 04/29/06 07:26 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Prizewriter]
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Am sure the drive will defo be worth it, even better to grasp the Art with personal tuition. Good luck and keep us posted.

Yeah ive seen the Advanced Combat DVD with Steve Benitez, and was impressed with that , that i could only imagin what it would have been like to practise in his seminar.

The kinfe and open hand techniques are very similar to Dumog and Panantukan Fillipino arts. The floor work is amazing , creating angles and lines of attack sikap-sikap and gerak-geri
Why do you think that this art is not more widely taught ?

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#248335 - 05/08/06 01:26 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Timeless]
Wali Offline
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Registered: 05/08/06
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Loc: London
Hi Timeless,

I just stumbled upon this thread during a search. Steve just did a knife seminar at SENI 06 this gone Saturday, and it went down a treat. Everyone absolutely loved it.

The reason that the WaliSongo silat isn't more widely taught is that it's hard to reach a level where it can be taught as it should, and we don't do the "weekend seminar teaching certificate" thing.

We do have several satellite schools operating, although these arte primarily in London and the South-East, and run by students who have been training for 7-8 years and upwards.

Incidently, we have just got back from Madrid from filming a new instructional DVD, where the emphasis is more on the instructional, rather than the visual, as was the case with the 1st set of DVD's. Details will be up on our website soon.

In the meantime, feel free to PM me if you have any questions!

Speak soon,
Martin

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#248336 - 07/06/06 01:43 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Timeless]
Prizewriter Offline
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Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2573
Quote:

Am sure the drive will defo be worth it, even better to grasp the Art with personal tuition. Good luck and keep us posted.

Yeah ive seen the Advanced Combat DVD with Steve Benitez, and was impressed with that , that i could only imagin what it would have been like to practise in his seminar.

The kinfe and open hand techniques are very similar to Dumog and Panantukan Fillipino arts. The floor work is amazing , creating angles and lines of attack sikap-sikap and gerak-geri
Why do you think that this art is not more widely taught ?




Here is a link to a local Silat club. It offers a brief history, but it also gives a reasonable explanation to Silat's obscurity in ther West:

http://www.ballymenasilat.com/base.cfm?attributes.middlepart=whatis.cfm

I can't verify all the info in the article, but it is as sound an explanation as I have heard.

Interestingly, the artilce in Wikipedia regarding Silat ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silat ) claims that the art is very popular in Holland. Quote "The art has also reached Europe, and is especially popular in the Netherlands, where it is as popular as karate is in the United States."

This again would make sense, given the shared history of Indonesia and Holland, but I can't be sure. I will ask Ives.
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#248337 - 07/07/06 07:40 PM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Prizewriter]
Victor Smith Offline
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Why is this art not taught more openly?

There's a lot of history behind that. One of my instrutors is Indonesian. Pentjac Silat (and all spellings) is comprised of many different arts. For many of the Indonesian's they have a very long background of real secrecy behind them, such as you have to wait for a group member to die to get a chance to join a group.

There is not one answer and in part that is changing today as times change, but only in part. For many of the PS groups it remains a secret.

Then you have the Dutch(Holland) connection. After participating in the war aginst the Japanese in WWII, the Indonesians began a much more intense effort to rid themselves of the Dutch.

So it's only natural that those who returned to Holland shared what they had studied. I imagine there are similaties and differences between the groups, even among the groups that will teach openly.

BTW, in many of the Indonesian arts there is also a strong linkage to 'magical' practices. Not my cup of tea, and it may just be a form of self-hypnotism. But there are groups with very differing traditions.

My instructor used to interject his tjimande training between karate, but in time separated the instruction (some time after I stopped trianing with him).
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#248338 - 07/08/06 10:22 AM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Victor Smith]
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Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2573
Yeah it still is quite a secretive art. Have you ever tried to find books on it?! Not too many that are available in English.

In some ways I can't blame Silat groups for not teaching more openly. You only have to look at the state most mainstream martial arts are in.

I have heard of magick too. Guru in Ireland told me it was akin to "zoning out". It sounded a bit like tunnel vision to me, i.e. focusing on what was at hand, not being distracted by unimportant things. He was talking about the trance side of Silat though. It's a cultural thing I suppose.
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#248339 - 07/08/06 11:45 AM Re: Pencak Silat [Re: Prizewriter]
Victor Smith Offline
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Registered: 06/01/00
Posts: 3220
Loc: Derry, NH
Hi,

There are a few books, Draeger's on the Indonesian arts might be the more interesting. But the books I've seen so far don't touch the tip of the training.

I think the fairest rule on Siliat is you'll only get it if you find the right instructor, and that can be a journey.
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