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#242685 - 04/03/06 01:58 AM
DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
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Does anyone here practice drawing a katana underhanded?
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#242686 - 04/03/06 01:07 PM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: shihan_chris]
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Define underhanded? With a reverse grip ala Zatoichi?
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#242687 - 04/04/06 11:19 PM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: Charles Mahan]
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Perhaps he means drawing "ground to sky", as one would with a tachi? 
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#242688 - 04/05/06 02:48 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: Armed_Man_Piker]
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What I meant was drawing the sword with your palm facing upward.
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#242689 - 04/05/06 10:04 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
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So you are referring to grasping the sword in such a way that the heel of your palm is close to the tsuba, rather than in the usual way where your thumb and index finger are near the tsuba. I know that some, not many, koryu have very specific scenarios where this is done. Mugai Ryu has a waza that does that for a very particular situation. A couple other ryuha have very specific examples where it is done. It's never a preferred way to do business. It's a fairly lousy way to hold a sword. Cuts down on range, power and control. There are no styles which do this all the time. This topic has been done to death on some of the other forums. Do some searching over at http://www.swordforum.com and http://www.e-budo.com for "reverse draw" or maybe "zatoichi draw".
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#242690 - 04/05/06 10:27 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: shihan_chris]
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I have to agree with Charles.
There are some very specfic situations that some ryu have specific waza to deal with.
But if you try and compare it to a "normal" draw you will find that its not all that effecient ie its slow, and the path the blade must take-
(given the shape of the blade, how the sword is worn, the weight of the blade, how the arm must move given the grip etc)
--well lets just say that I would not wish to try it.
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#242691 - 04/06/06 12:21 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: cxt]
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I agree that there are certain situations for the technique, but it's not slow. It's actually quick and effective. (Particularly if your opponent has not yet drawn his sword or is in the process of drawing his sword) It's also a great technique in close quarters. (a narrow hallway for instance)
Example of underhand draw............. stepping forward into a front stance while simultaneously drawing the sword and cutting the throat at an upward angle, then punching down with the hilt of the sword while turining to the left in a front stance, then pulling the sword out while simultaneously stepping back into a cross-leg stance and then finally sheathing the sword while stepping up.
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#242692 - 04/06/06 01:05 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
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Make that up yourself?
I take it that you are not wearing the katana in the move you described?
Edited by Charles Mahan (04/06/06 01:07 AM)
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#242693 - 04/06/06 10:08 AM
Re: DRAWING A KATANA UNDERHANDED
[Re: shihan_chris]
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Make that up yourself?
If he didn't, then he learned it from another karateka. Front stance and cross-leg stance are karate terms. I've never encountered anyone using that sort of terminology (or movement) outside of karate circles. Speaking of, do you study karate with Ray sensei also Charles? I understand he is highly ranked in Uechi ryu right?
Chris,
There are many different schools of traditional Japanese sword arts available in the U.S. today. You should take advantage of this fact and seek out legitimate instruction. There's really no way that you can teach yourself how to properly use a Japanese sword. There's really no reason to try either.
Just my thoughts on it.
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