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#239986 - 03/20/06 04:14 PM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Ed_Morris]
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I think I know what you are referring to.

The whole concept of softening a target was a big part of my traditional JJ training where the uke would grab my wrist or lapel and then I would deliver a finger, palm strike, etc. to "loosen" him up a little before flowing into some wristlock takedown or something.

In BJJ however, even the SD tactics are generally structured so that the initial "softening" is not as critical, as the close quarter confrontation that ensued when the uke started resisting, was generally something that the BJJ student was more comfortable with anyway.

I remember at least 100 variations of self defense against a wrist grab from Traditional JJ. In BJJ, you punch him, clinch with him or a combination of both. That's about it.
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#239987 - 03/20/06 05:15 PM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Fletch1]
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fletch, matt, et al...yes, what you are describing is what I meant. I'll make it easier, lets say it's not a life-death self-defense situation.
like matt said, lets assume we are in good reach of the guy's noggin. take the best case scenario...ie you've got him just where you want him. you are both standing up and you have the advantage. if you were to give him a standup submission using any neck/head technique, what would it be?

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#239988 - 03/20/06 05:40 PM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Hopefully in this scenario he has his head down and then I'd choke him out with a single arm choke where you wrap your arm around his neck, grab your own shirt/collar, lower my stance and arch my back. If he wants to push forward then I'd let him and lead him to the ground and then wrap my legs around his body and lock it in tighter till he passes out.
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#239989 - 03/20/06 05:51 PM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Dereck]
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I'm sure you know which choke I'm talking about but I thought I'd try to find a picture none the less. I didn't but I found this link which I really enjoyed and I thought you would as well.

The reason I'm sticking it in here is because I think it fits in well plus I think it has the "softening" idea that Ed was talking about. This you will see later towards the end when they do it in stand up. Watch it and enjoy it.

http://www.grapplearts.com/My-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Download.htm
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#239990 - 03/20/06 09:16 PM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Dereck]
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thats cool dereck, thanks....got a defense for it? other than 'no be there'.

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#239991 - 03/21/06 12:01 AM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Ed_Morris]
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A good example of "softening" in BJJ (Vale Tudo) is punching someone from the mount until they turn and give you there back for the choke.

I think in the BJJ SD techique against an over arm bear hug from the front, there are knee strikes prior to setting up the hip throw (ogoshi).
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#239992 - 03/21/06 01:18 AM Re: Neck cranks [Re: Ed_Morris]
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thats cool dereck, thanks....got a defense for it? other than 'no be there'.




If you are talking about the clip ... not yet. I sent the video to my Instructor and he said he knows it well and used it just this last weekend. He joined David Meyer (Machado BJJ) to help train in Regina, SK. First seminar was with the police force. The next seminar was the Regina BJJ club. The third seminar was at an Akido club. Three seminars in 2 days ... he said it was rough and enjoyed every minute of it. Back to the video. I was hoping to go over it with him but did not get a chance thought I was there for 3.5 hours. The last 1/2 hour was discussing his trip. I will see about Wednesday. Once I can learn the actual choke then I would look into learning its escape. For me I'd rather know it first without knowing the escape and take it one step at a time.
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