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#236504 - 03/05/06 06:12 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
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What fletch1 said. BJJ concentrates more on ground work, JJJ concentrates more on everything. In my BJJ class, we concentrate mostly on stand up self defence techniques. When it comes to techniques, BJJ and JJJ are pretty much similiar; They both use locks. BJJ uses very deep locks also, whilst JJJ uses small locks like wrist locks. In stand up techniques, you'll find BJJ and JJJ similiar as i said, though when it comes to ground work, BJJ is superior.
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#236506 - 03/06/06 03:29 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
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BJJ will keep getting refined as Helio Gracie is still alive. Seeing Helio is the main man behind Gracie Jiu Jitsu, or in this case, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu seeing that anyone who has a lineage under him is not allowed to name his/her school Gracie Jiu Jitsu, Only the Gracies can trademark it.Anyway, seeing Helio is still alive, the art will keep being refined by him seeing hes the founder of GJJ/BJJ.
Edited by OneInchPunchMaster (03/06/06 04:17 PM)
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#236508 - 03/06/06 09:49 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
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True, but it was still known as the traditional brazilian jiu jitsu. Helio adapted it so that a smaller guy could take down a bigger guy with ease. Also, Helio concentrates on Self defence techniques by working with body mechanics.Anyones instructor whos lineage is NOT under Helio is not teaching Gracie Jiu Jitsu, they are teaching traditional sport Jiu Jitsu. Those with the lineage under Helio ARE teaching Gracie Jiu Jitsu.For e.g., my instructors is directly under Helio Gracie. Helio Gracie > Flavio Behring > Sylvio Behring > Justin Bruckmann(my instructor). The lineage is short, thus legitamate. We learn 1-2 self defence techniques every class. Sometimes we learn ground techniques in a class rather than stand up self defence techniques, but the average class holds 1-2 self defence techniques. Traditional Sport BJJ will hold ground work, and only sometimes stand up self defence techniques are taught. For one of my friends classes, he only learns a self defence technique once a month in his BJJ class. Its all about what type of BJJ is being taught. Sure, Carlson Gracie refined BJJ, but he refined traditional BJJ. GJJ is something that focuses on another aspect, and Helio created GJJ.Its abit like ITF style TKD and WTF style TKD. ITF focuses on sport and the olympics whilst WTF doesnt. Same with BJJ; BJJ is the sport version, GJJ is the later non-sport version.
Edited by OneInchPunchMaster (03/06/06 09:54 PM)
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#236509 - 03/06/06 10:00 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
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I should add that the Self Defense component of BJJ has been largely unchanged over the years and appears very similar to Traditioanl JJ and Judo's Goshin Jitsu. What has evolved is the Sport and Vale Tudo approaches to the art. Changes that for the most part have been made based on competition and fight results.
The reasons for these changes and "staying the same" are pretty easily diffused... the arts that are changing are normally adjusting to "the rules". Like anything done for sport, the players learn to use the rules (and the boundaries) for scoring purposes. Self defense tactics don't change much because normally they are focused on the single objective of protecting the player from an attacker. 
Over the past 40+ years, I've practiced karate, judo, jujitsu, and aikido, but I can't ever remember doing it as a sport. Even when I was active in judo, I used the randori as self defense training when warming up the local judo team for competitions. They always wanted me to compete because I scored a lot of throws in randori, but I wasn't interested in trophies as much as getting it right... and when you train with the objective to protect yourself, rather than put a trophy in the case, you have a lot more desire to do just that.
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The interesting thing is that BJJ continues to grow.
Funny, but that's the same thing they said in the 1960's when judo was the "big dog" and karate was just being introduced. I don't see any real martial art "taking off" like that again, because the public now is keyed in on violence, and would rather see a soccer brawl than a good match of any kind of legitimate competition. 
My own personal feeling is that it will hit a plateau and stay about where it is from now on, just like most other martial arts have. Whether it gets bigger than those that are the "big dogs" now will depend on the organizations and publicity they can gin up. 

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#236510 - 03/06/06 11:36 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
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No one said BJJ is about winning trophies and competitions. Sure, its used in MMA, but so is Muay Thai, Judo, Wrestling,Kickboxing and other arts.Im sure anyone teaching the "sport" version of BJJ or Judo would adjust to the rules.
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#236511 - 03/07/06 09:43 PM
Re: JJ - Bjj
[Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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like a chiropractor, only evil
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I never said BJJ was about trophies... just that that's where the judo clubs were focused at the time I was playing against them. The focus makes a difference, however, because few if any of those guys are still doing any kind of martial arts, and I'm still around and going strong for 43 years. Since you make the point that BJJ isn't about trophies, I can say that most of the people who train in BJJ in our dojo are into mixed martial arts and are only doing BJJ because it's what they need to be competitive in the "baker's dozen brawling competition" (MMA). I kid them all the time that they don't get promotions in BJJ, they get space cleared off for another tatoo. 
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