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#235808 - 03/03/06 03:05 AM Why do you condition you shins/forearms?
Taison Offline
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Ripped it from another thread:

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Ok, to all you persistent martial artists out there. Before going on to conditioning let me ask you;

Why do you want to condition? Unless you're going professional, I don't see the need to condition anything. The best conditioning you can do is just work on the bag and with a sparring partner using pads and then a little full contact every now and then.

Ok, I hijacked the thread, but it's kinda odd that everyone except me wants to condition. I find it boring, slow and just a waste of my time when I could just go onto the bag. I mean, there's more conditioning if you can kick the bag for 30 minutes constantly than rolling a pipe on your leg for the same amount of time AND by kicking the bag you'll be conditioning the right part of your leg e.i. the part that makes contact. Condition elsewhere it's just a waste of time. Let me ask you again, would I ever kick you on the knee with my instep? If it's a sidekick, no matter how good the conditioning, you're knee's are GONE.





Ok, discuss!

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#235809 - 03/03/06 03:43 AM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Taison]
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Ripped this from the other conditioning thread this post was ripped from.

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I could see doing shin conditioning if you are a competetion fighter,but if you aren't I think you are doing more harm than good.
My shins are well enough conditioned from sparring and kicking a heavy bag over the years.
My forehead ,however,needs work.





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#235810 - 03/03/06 07:44 AM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: BrianS]
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Simply to become stronger.
Why do I want to become stronger? So Im not weak.
Why dont I want to be weak? Because I want to feel strong.
Why do I want to feel strong? So I dont feel weak.
Why dont I want to feel weak? Because the weak will die.
Why dont I wish to die? Because I want to become stronger.
Why do you want to become stonger?....
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#235811 - 03/03/06 12:27 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Taison]
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Well, for the most part because I CAN

But my reasons change constantly - if I were set on just kicking heavy bags for years and years, I probably wouldn't bother. However, I engage in contact sparring, sometimes without shin guards (this is usually only in MMA classes) and well, shin block freakin' hurt. I also avidly practice FMA which requires blocking sticks with shins/forearms sometimes. Even the knife tapping (forearm block and parry) drills hurt within a couple minutes to an unconditioned arm. I'm not a competitive type, but I do train with some very tough hombres who don't necessarily take it easy in sparring. That's just Chicago for you. So if I'm wasting my time conditioning... fine!

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#235812 - 03/03/06 01:48 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Taison]
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Taison, please don't take this the wrong way, but for someone who has trained in MT as long as you have, I would think that you would already know why conditioning is an essential requirement to training. If you choose not to do it, that's your choice. It may be a waste of time to you, but it certainly is'nt for those of us who take our self defence seriously. And what do you mean by "going professional"? If you are referring to sport/ring fighting, then yes you should do conditioning drills. But even more so for those of us who do it strictly for self defence purposes.
There are individuals in this world that I pray no descent man will ever have to face. You throw your strongest kick, at such an individual, and not only does your leg bounce off with no effect to him, but it felt like you just kicked a telephone pole. You block his incoming strikes and realize that your hurting yourself more than him. This man is not going to play nice and hit you in just your conditioned areas either (ie.the part of the shin that you kick with.)
I have three personal reasons for doing the so-called "Waste of time training" they are my lovely wife and two children. Is that good enough a reason to be prepared?
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#235813 - 03/03/06 02:36 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Uchinanchu]
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There are individuals in this world that I pray no descent man will ever have to face. You throw your strongest kick, at such an individual, and not only does your leg bounce off with no effect to him, but it felt like you just kicked a telephone pole. You block his incoming strikes and realize that your hurting yourself more than him.




No offence, but either you don't have very good kicks or you are aiming your kicks at the wrong areas of the body.
Very few men can take a full power kick to the groin, i don't care how big they are.

The only people i can think of that would possibly (??) have a body conditioned enough to take your full power strikes with no effect at all (!!) are MArtists with a lot of dedication, most of whom would know by then not to use it.

p.s. this does not mean i completely disagre with conditioning
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#235814 - 03/03/06 02:48 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Uchinanchu]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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This man is not going to play nice and hit you in just your conditioned areas either (ie.the part of the shin that you kick with.)





Um, even the people I do play nice with don't kick at that part. That's why you condition it - so YOU can USE IT to BLOCK
ps - Taison didn't write that himself, he quoted it.

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#235815 - 03/03/06 02:54 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Taison]
bo-ken Offline
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I condition my forearms by conditioning the muscles in them. I need to have strong forearms for blocking. As far as my shins go heavy bag is enough for me.

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#235816 - 03/03/06 04:08 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: Uchinanchu]
Supremor Offline
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Registered: 07/22/04
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There are individuals in this world that I pray no descent man will ever have to face. You throw your strongest kick, at such an individual, and not only does your leg bounce off with no effect to him, but it felt like you just kicked a telephone pole. You block his incoming strikes and realize that your hurting yourself more than him. This man is not going to play nice and hit you in just your conditioned areas either (ie.the part of the shin that you kick with.)




In that case, I doubt any level of conditioning will help you- my advice is to run. I have met guys like this(none of them aggressive), one had the nickname "concrete". He once took a few punches from an ameteur boxer and hardly flinched and my word does he hit hard! Such guys are not worth trying to defend yourself against, the only possible course of action is to run.

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#235817 - 03/03/06 04:27 PM Re: Why do you condition you shins/forearms? [Re: ShikataGaNai]
TwistingKick Offline
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Quote:

ps - Taison didn't write that himself, he quoted it.




Sorry but Taison did write it : Taison quote

edit: In fact it was in a thread that you started on shin conditioning.


Edited by TwistingKick (03/03/06 04:30 PM)
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