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#235468 - 10/21/06 02:23 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: honourah]
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Judo.

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#235469 - 10/21/06 03:29 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: fileboy2002]
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Why? Why and how is it better? Better for what?

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#235470 - 10/21/06 06:20 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: eyrie]
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Why?
Because judo works and aikido doesn't.

Why and how is it better?
See above.

Better for what?
Self-defense, physical fitness, and self-confidence.

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#235471 - 10/21/06 07:27 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: fileboy2002]
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Interesting... sweeping generalization. Got any evidence?

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#235472 - 10/21/06 07:36 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: eyrie]
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Judo practioners train under intense, realistic conditions and engage actively resisting opponents as a regular part of their training. Aikido practioners do none of these things. Is there an aikido practioners somewhere who is a great fighter? Possibly. But given a choice, I would pick the art with deeper roots in the real world.

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#235473 - 10/21/06 08:37 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: fileboy2002]
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Hmmmm, great Aikido "fighters"... Mochizuki, Shioda, Tohei, and the big Kahuna himself, Morihei Ueshiba.... to name a few. Shioda, Tohei and Ueshiba had a few challengers from other MAs, "test their skills", and dispatched them with ease.

Even Jigoro Kano, the Founder of JUDO, considered Ueshiba's Aikido as HIS (Kano's) ideal budo, and invited Ueshiba to the Kodokan to teach. Ueshiba politely refused as he felt that Aikido and Judo were different and incompatible. Hence, Kano dispatched 3 of his top students - Mochizuki, Murashige and Tomiki - to study with Ueshiba.

Instead of making unfounded anecdotal claims, perhaps you could enlighten us on your own personal experience of Aikido - i.e. are you speaking from personal experience of Aikido? And if so, how many years experience in Aikido do you have?

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#235474 - 10/21/06 09:47 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: eyrie]
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eyrie,

Wouldn't relating my personal experiences be the same thing as making anecdotal claims?

But seriously: every person you named--Mochizuki, Shioda, Tohei, and even Ueshiba--had extensive training in martial arts other than aikido, particularly (you guessed it!) Judo. Mochizuka was skilled in judo and karate; Shioda was skilled at Judo and Kendo; Tohei studied judo; Ueshiba had many years experience in juijutsu. The bottom line: if these men were indeed "great fighters," they were likely great because they were skilled in martial arts other than aikido. Can you name a single "great fighter" to study nothing but aikido?

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#235475 - 10/21/06 10:19 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: fileboy2002]
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Interestingly enough, Kano though enough of Aikido to send one of his top students (Tomiki) to study with Ueshiba. FWIW.

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#235476 - 10/21/06 10:31 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: MattJ]
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MattJ,

Indeed he did. His "top students" were, of course, his top JUDO students.

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#235477 - 10/21/06 10:52 PM Re: Judo or Aikido (Please vote for one) [Re: fileboy2002]
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I do not understand your point. That is what I just said.
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