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#234938 - 02/28/06 12:14 AM Kickboxing Styles!
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I'm going to put up a little information on the kickboxing styles such as Yaw-yan, Savate, Xanda, KB and MT.

If you got any information, pm me and I'll read through it. If it's good, I'll sticky it for new members to come so we don't get the daily "What's Savate?".

Thanks for your help in advance.

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#234939 - 02/28/06 07:47 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Savate
Savate (pronounced /sæ'væt/), also known as boxe française (French boxing) or French kickboxing, is a French martial art which uses both the hands and feet as weapons and contains elements of western boxing, grappling and graceful kicking techniques (only foot kicks are allowed, with no use of the knees, shins or tibia). Practitioners of savate are called savateurs (men), and savateuses (women).

Savate takes its name from the French for old boot (heavy footwear used to be worn during fights). The modern formalized form is mainly an amalgam of French street fighting techniques from the beginning of the 19th century[1]. At that time, savate was a type of street fighting common in Paris and the north of France. And in the south, especially in the port of Marseille, sailors had developed a form of fighting involving high kicks, which was known as jeu marseillais (game from Marseille), which was later renamed chausson (slipper, after the type of shoes sailors wore). In contrast, at this time in England (the home of boxing and the Queensberry rules), kicking was seen as unsportsmanlike or as something that only cowards would resort to.

The two key historical figures in the history of the shift from street fighting to the modern sport of savate are Michel Casseux (also known as "le Pisseux") (1794-1869), and Charles Lecour (1808-1894). Casseux opened the first establishment in 1825 for practicing and promoting a regulated version of chausson and savate (disallowing head butting, gouging etc). However the sport had not yet managed to shake off its reputation as a street fighting technique. A pupil of Casseux's, Charles Lecour was exposed to the English art of boxing around 1830 and felt that he was at a disadvantage, only using his hands to bat his opponent's feet away, rather than punching. He trained in boxing for two years before, in 1832, combining boxing with chausson and savate to create the sport of savate boxe française as we know it today.

Modern codified savate provides for three levels of competition: assaut, pre-combat, and combat. Assaut requires the competitors to focus on their technique while still making contact; referees assign penalties for the use of excessive force. Pre-combat allows for full-strength fighting so long as the fighters wear protective gear such as helmets and shinguards. Combat, the most intense level, is the same as pre-combat, but protective gear other than groin protection and mouthguards is prohibited.

In competition savate, or 'Boxe Francaise', there are two tiers of scoring, aggression and accuracy, and also style and control. This means that if a fighter uses only basic strikes, but they land effectivley, they may only draw the round if their oponent attempts imaginative and challenging attacks/combos, even if at the expense of successful clean contact.

All kicks must be landed with the boot/foot as the striking body part. Any kicks that impact using the shin do not score, and if deemed to be on purpose, can result in point deduction.
There is no clinching or trapping/catching of the legs allowed whatsoever.

'Savate Defence' is still also taught. This is close to the root of Savate and includes kicking with the shins (more powerfull), use of the knees/elbows/head, and clinch and throw work.

Terminology
http://www.savate.org/terminology.htm

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Edited by Taison (03/01/06 02:59 AM)
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#234940 - 02/28/06 07:57 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Xanda (San Shou)
Sport San Shou utilizes striking, kicking and wrestling but not "submission" ("Na") and/or ground grappling. Originally, elbows and knees were utilized in inter-military San Shou competition but they have been removed from the international sport version which was established in 1991 with the first world championships. In 1997, the first attempts were made both in China and in the United States to establish professional San Shou matches conducted in a manner similar to other kickboxing styles such as Muay Thai. Matches are conducted without the protective gear (without headgear, shin guards and the chest protector) and are held in a boxing ring. The Chinese often refer to professional San Shou as "San Da" an older term which was originally used to describe full contact fighting. Professional San Shou/San Da has grown incredibly over the last three years and professional San Shou fighters have recently fought successfully in the K-1 kickboxing promotion and in the Japan Shootboxing Association (JSA).

Another Description
San Shou is the official full contact fighting sport of modern Wushu which is rapidly growing in popularity both in the US and abroad. As an integral part of most Wushu competitions, San Shou has been an important event at the World Wushu Championships since its inception in 1991. Presently San Shou competitions are held in over 75 countries world wide. Recently San Shou has also become a professional sport in America.

The word "San Shou" also spelled "Sanda" translates as "unbound hand" and refers to free fighting where the rules are designed to most accurately simulate actual combat. San Shou matches are fought on a raised platform called the "Lei Tai". Historically, the Lei Tai dates back centuries in China where challenge matches were fought both bare handed and also with weapons with no rules—often resulting in death or serious injury. At the National Chinese tournament in Nanking in 1928, the fights on the Lei Tai were so brutal that the final 12 contestants were not permitted to fight for fear of killing off some of the great masters of the time. So changes were needed.

Modern San Shou developed into a sport about the same time as modern Wushu during the 1960’s by the Chinese Government. In order to define a standard kung fu fighting style, the great masters from all over China were given the task of organizing the huge heritage of Chinese martial arts in to a system of rules in which different styles could complete. Protective equipment was also added to further reduce the risk of serious injury.

The rules of San Shou allow for a wide array of full contact punching, kicking, takedowns and throws derived from the traditional application of Chinese martial arts. Finishing hold (chokes, arm locks etc.) have been excluded from the rules which forces the fight to continue at a fast pace. San Shou addresses the three ranges of fighting—kicking, punching and grappling which adds great realism to the sport. A fighter can win by a knockout or by points, points are also awarded for the techniques according to effectiveness. In a tournament, you fight for 2 rounds of 2 minutes each, plus a third round in case the first 2 score even. Forcing the opponent off of the platform is also a major technique of San Shou. It is a mistake to think of San Shou as just Kick Boxing because the strategies of San Shou are very different.

There is a now a saying is China: San Shou shi Wushu de Jinghua—
San Shou is the quintessence of Wushu.

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#234941 - 02/28/06 08:03 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Lethwei
Lethwei or Lethawae also known as Burmese Boxing and Myanma Traditional Boxing is a form of kickboxing originated from Myanmar. Lethwei is in many ways similar to its sibling Muay Thai from neighboring Thailand. If Thai Boxing is the science of 8 limbs then Lethwei is the science of 9 limbs due to the allowance of head butts. There are records recording Lethwei style matches dating back to the Pyu empire in Burma.

Participants fight without gloves only wrapping their hands in hemp or gauze cloth; rules are similar to Muay Thai but allow and encourage all manner of takedowns along with head butts. Traditionally held outdoors in sandpits instead of rings but in modern times are now held in rings. Popular technique in Lethwei include leg kicks, knees, elbows, head butts, raking knuckle strikes, and ballistic takedowns.

Matches traditionally would go until a fighter can no longer continue. If a knockout occurs, the boxer is revived and has the option of continuing; as a result, defense, conditioning, and learning to absorb punishment are very important. Burmese boxers spend a great deal of time preparing the body to absorb impact and conditioning their weapons to dish it out. Matches today are carried out in both the traditional manner and a more modern offshoot started in 1996, the Myanma Traditional boxing. The modern style has changed to make the contests more of an organized sport under the government's organization. The goal seems to be to make it a more marketable sport similar to Muay Thai.

Many of the ethnic groups within Burma have their own variant of the indigenous martial arts giving them sometimes distinctly different styles of Lethwei that make for exciting action packed matches.

The Kachin variant of Lethwei is referred to as soft (relaxed). There is very little wasted motion or effort. Lethwei matches usually start in long range with kicks to the legs and raking punches to the face in an effort to draw blood as matches continue the fighters end up in the in the clinch and the primary weapons used are standing grappling with various takedowns and sweeps along with the preferred finishing weapons of head-butts, elbows, and knees. The Kachin Practitioner generally prefers to fight from the clinch and tends not to fall after missing with a long distance strike opting to follow low line kicks and raking punches into close range.

If the sport is viewed in the context of preparing one for individual combat you can see that it not only teaches timing, distance, and movement but also the ability to absorb and deliver punishment thereby winning a war of attrition. The goal is not so much the winning and losing but fighting hard and learning lessons about survival.

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#234942 - 02/28/06 08:10 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Full-Contact Karate
Full contact karate has many different derivatives but two main fundamental styles. One is similar to other competition karate where targets are specified and a clear strike to that target gain a full or half point. The blows are delivered with full contact, although heavy padding is often worn and in some cases body armour is also worn. The fight is stopped while points are awarded.

The other, and some would say more 'hardcore' form of full-contact, is known as knockdown karate. This style of fighting was pioneered by the Kyokushinkai, founded by Masutatsu Oyama. In fighting the competitors have no or minimal shin padding and no body protection other than groin guards. Face punching and groin and joint attacks are prohibited but all bare-knuckle strikes to the body, thigh kicks, body kicks, head and face kicks are permitted, as are sweeps. Score is only made by knocking your opponent to the floor, or incapacitating them, or by sweep and controlled follow-up for half a point. Most other karate styles that originated in Kyokushin are also knockdown styles. A few other styles such as Kansuiryu Karate are also knockdown style, but originated independently of Kyokushin.

Rules
These are rules used in American Full Contact Karate. Opponents are allowed to hit each other with fists and feet, striking above the hip. Using elbows or knees is forbidden and the use of the shins is seldom allowed. This is in contrast to Muay Thai where the use of elbows and knees are allowed; in fact some Muay Thai practitioners consider kickboxing a "watered down" version of Muay Thai. Fighters and promoters can agree to various rules including kicks only above the waist, kicks anywhere, no knee strikes, knees only to the body, and so on.

Bouts are usually 3 to 12 rounds (lasting 2 - 3 minutes each) for amateur and professional contests with a 1-minute rest in between rounds. The round durations and the number of rounds can vary depending on the stipulations agreed to before hand by each fighter or manager. A winner is declared during the bout if there is a submission (fighter quits or fighter's corner throws in the towel), knockout (KO), or referee stoppage (Technical Knock Out, or TKO). If all of the rounds expire with no knockout then the fight is scored by a team of 3 judges. The judges determine a winner based on their scoring of each round. A split decision indicates a disagreement between the judges, while a unanimous decision indicates that all judges saw the fight the same way and all have declared the same winner.

OH! If you have any additional information, please reply or PM me.

-Taison out
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#234943 - 02/28/06 08:21 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Sayaw ng Kamatayan (Yaw Yan)
It sounds Chinese, the movements slightly resemble that of Thai-Boxing and Korea's Tae-kwon-do but the origin is strictly Filipino. Yaw-Yan is billed as the Philippine's most lethal martial art.

Yaw-Yan was designed for Filipino fighter; (height doesn't matter) it is specially invented for small Filipinos to fight against big and heavy opponents. The originator creates these martial arts in consonant with Filipinos culture; the organization, food, uniform attitude and others.

Yaw-Yan is considered as one of the world's latest form of Martial Arts considering that it was originated only in Manila year 1972. A Yaw-Yan fighter utilizes the strength of his opponent against him through leading techniques, The Master called it "NON-RESISTANT" martial arts meaning no blocking are involved at all. This is simply redirecting your opponent energy to your favor, Yaw-Yan specialized to disarm knives, guns and stick in a spilt second without the use of force using the arms and legs as the weapon.

Yaw-Yan is a serious graceful performing art that requires an incredible amount of concentration for lightning speed movements. It is expressive and requires great focus, it is systematic fighting art, realistic, energetic, complete and practical. In essence, it is sophisticated form of street fighting. It has its own original style and not copied to any Martial Art. It is ultimately a highly develop personal spirituality and physique.

Yaw-Yan mortal combatant is like a wind, alive, quick, fast, free and formless. Throwing perfect lightning punches and kicks from all angles. The hands and legs techniques are derive from stick and baton movement. Yaw-Yan fighter can dominate and maintain control over his opponent with his quick reaction and relentless foot/hand fighting combinations to various part of the anatomy. The effectiveness defends on split-second timing and reflexive action which can be achieved only through repetitious practice.

Contrary to most popular belief, Yaw-Yan is not purely a full-contact no-holds barred sport martial arts. It is a complete martial training with body-mind coordination and test of enduring indomitable spirit. More than just physical training, it also involves the mental disciplines of focus, concentration, alertness, flexibility, stamina, speed and continuity. Students train for real confrontation and actual fights ~ on or off the ring. Advanced Disciples have to go through a rigorous ritual of practice and discipline consisting of actual full-contact sparring, bag hitting, mind fighting and flexibility exercises. The Elbows (siko), knees (tuhod), and shin (lulod) are utilized in much the same way as in Muay Thai. Yaw-Yan practitioners have to learn 40 basic kicks, advanced disciples have to be able to execute and apply complexes advanced kicks requiring great dexterity, flexibility, and mastery. Most of these advanced kicks are trick kicks which always caught unsuspecting opponents by surprise.

Yaw-Yan practitioners are also adopt with Philippine bladed weaponries as balisong and bolo. Bladed weapons are mere extensions of the hands. The forearm strikes, elbows, punches, dominating palms, and hand movements are empty-hand translations of the bladed weapons. There are 12 bolo punches which were patterned from Arnis, the Philippines' very own armed art. These punches have continuous fluid striking motion quite similar to western boxing but incorporating the art of Arnis. Grappling, ground-fighting, and knife-fighting had always been a part of the Philippines' martial art and are always incorporated during the Yaw-Yan practice period.

-Taison out (Edited and took out the art-bashing stuff)
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#234944 - 02/28/06 08:30 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Boxing
If you don't know what Boxing is let me give you a hint. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing

-Taison out


Edited by MattJ (02/28/06 08:40 AM)
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#234945 - 02/28/06 08:53 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Taison]
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Edited by Taison (02/28/06 09:00 AM)
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#234946 - 02/28/06 09:04 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: TwistingKick]
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HAHAH! You're the first person to feel the sharp edge of my WHACKING STICK.

Now a little bit explanation. Wouldn't it be neater if I just put all the styles in one thread? *cough* Krav Maga Forum *cough*

Second thing, I am not abusing my power as a Mod and I am trying to use my power to benefit the forum. I follow the policy of prevention instead of cure. I don't want to log in every single day to answer "What is . . .?". Thus, this thread.

1st whack Twister Second time, it'll be twice!

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#234947 - 02/28/06 10:55 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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#234948 - 02/28/06 11:52 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Further info re. Savate.

In competition savate, or 'Boxe Francaise', there are two tiers of scoring, aggression and accuracy, and also style and control. This means that if a fighter uses only basic strikes, but they land effectivley, they may only draw the round if their oponent attempts imaginative and challenging attacks/combos, even if at the expense of successful clean contact.
All kicks must be landed with the boot/foot as the striking body part. Any kicks that impact using the shin do not score, and if deemed to be on purpose, can result in point deduction.
There is no clinching or trapping/catching of the legs allowed whatsoever.

'Savate Defence' is still also taught. This is close to the root of Savate and includes kicking with the shins (more powerfull), use of the knees/elbows/head, and clinch and throw work.
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#234949 - 02/28/06 12:32 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! *DELETED* [Re: Taison]
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#234950 - 02/28/06 12:39 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Tower_Bloodthorn]
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Tower_Bloodthorn -

Use PM for personal questions, please.
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#234951 - 03/01/06 03:32 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! *DELETED* [Re: Tower_Bloodthorn]
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My bad, I'm stupid and I have to apoligize to Bloodtower_thorn. Please try to contribute information in this thread and if you have any queries, please post them in the boxing forum. If you have any personal information that you want to know, please use PM.
Thank you very much, and my deepest apology to Thorn for being a bit harsh on him. My excuse is insignificant [I haven't slept in 2 days].

-Taison out


Edited by Taison (03/03/06 03:09 AM)
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#234952 - 03/02/06 01:08 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Pankration
Pankration was an ancient sport introduced in the Greek Olympic games in 648 BC. Many historians believe that although Pankration was not one of the first Olympic sports, it was likely the most popular. Some also argue it to be the first all-encompassing fighting system in human history. This is of course a heavily debated issue in the academic community.

The term comes from the Ancient Greek words "pan" (meaning "all") and "kratos" (meaning "[bodily] strength/power"). The term is also used to describe the sport's modern varieties.

Pankration, as practiced in the ancient world, combined elements of both boxing (pygme/pygmachia) and wrestling (pale) to create broad fighting sport similar to today's mixed martial arts. A match was won by submission of the opponent or if the opponent was incapacitated. A contestant could signal submission by raising his hand, but sometimes the only form of submission was unconciousness or death. Joint locks and choke holds were common techniques of accomplishing this. In fact, there were only two rules: contestants were not allowed to gouge eyes or to bite. Grave, even permanent injuries were common, as an accepted means of disabling the adversary: mainly breaking limbs, fingers or even the neck. Pankration bouts were quite brutal and sometimes life-threatening to the competitors. Rules were minimal in number. In addition, there were no weight divisions and no time limits. The fighting arena or "ring" was nomore than twelve to fourteen-feet square to encourage close-quarter action. Referees were armed with stout rods or switches to enforce the rules against biting and gouging. The rules, however, were often broken by some participants who, realizing they were outclassed by a heavier and stronger foe, would resort to such measures to escape being seriously maimed. The contest itself continued uninterrupted until one of the combatants either surrendered, suffered unconsciousness, or, of course, was killed. Although knockouts were common, most pankration battles were decided on the ground where both striking and submission techniques would freely come into play. Pankratiasts were highly-skilled grapplers and were extremely effective in applying a variety of takedowns, chokes, and punishing joint locks. Strangulation was most feared during ground combat, and was the leading cause of death in matches. A fighter would immediately raise his arm in defeat once his opponent's forearm had secured a firm grip across the windpipe or carotid artery.

The ancient Olympics also had a less violent pankration contest for young boys. If there was no winner by sunset, each could in turn take a full-force swing at the opponent who was not allowed to dodge from the position chosen by the striking adversary.

Ancient sculptures and pottery paintings depicting naked pankration fighters show blade-like hands and crouches reminiscent of modern fighting systems

NOTE: README! !
I posted Pankration as it seems to be the first sport event that utilized the fist as a weapon. You are able to talk about the stand-up fighting of Pankration but if you go into grappling, I will move it to the MMA forum ASAP. I posted it here as a reference for people who seeks more knowledge. Thus, obey the rule and avoid whacks from my whacking stick. Oh, I just changed the stick to a bamboo stick, it'll hurt more now.

Remember, clinch and throws are the only grappling techniques that can be discussed here if it's allowed in a sport even like MT, KB, Boxing, Xan Da, Savate, etc.

-Taison out
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#234953 - 03/13/06 11:25 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: TwistingKick]
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Muay Boran
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The predecessor to Muay Thai. Muay Boran emphasizes the usage of extremely powerful elbow and knee techniques, and combinations thereof, always thrown at full force and speed, with the intent to overcome one's adversary as quickly as possible, because another one might already be coming close or attacking. Tony Jaa does Muay Boran, and he uses it in his Ong Bak movie.You could say that Muay Boran is Muay Thai with locks.

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#234954 - 03/14/06 06:49 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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Quote:

The predecessor to Muay Thai. Muay Boran emphasizes the usage of extremely powerful elbow and knee techniques, and combinations thereof, always thrown at full force and speed, with the intent to overcome one's adversary as quickly as possible, because another one might already be coming close or attacking.



Wrong. . The use of the knees wasn't popularized since 1920's due to the fact when you went for the clinch people could scrape your knees with their bound fists which would leave your knees gushing. The elbows were only effective when unarmed.

Quote:

The predecessor to Muay Thai.


Wrong. Muay Lopburi is the predecessor. Muay Boran is just as vague as saying "Kung Fu".

Quote:

always thrown at full force and speed, with the intent to overcome one's adversary as quickly as possible, because another one might already be coming close or attacking.


Wrong. The use of MB was to overbalance your opponent so you wouldn't have to face multiple opponent simultaneously. The main weapon of MB was the thrust kick and elbows. Full force? I can't say that, it's usually only to make people fall over and then stab them with the sword.

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Tony Jaa does Muay Boran, and he uses it in his Ong Bak movie.


Tony Jaa does MT in OngBak. He uses Muay Boran in "Tom Yam Goong". OngBak = Tae Kwon Do + Stylish Muay Thai.

Quote:

You could say that Muay Boran is Muay Thai with locks.


If that was true then I could say Goju-ryu karate is Jujutsu with punch & kicks

Sorry, wasn't good enough. I'm still working on mine so don't worry, I'll post it in a week or so. I thought about opening a new thread on it cuz MB is huge and really detailed. Better luck next time and don't believe in the Thai media.

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#234955 - 03/14/06 01:03 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Cord]
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I took all that info from wiki.I dont know where your getting your info from, unless you do MB.
Look here:
http://www.tonyjaa.org/muaythai.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muay_Boran
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/

Tony Jaa trained extensively in Muay Boran for his Ong Bak movie.
Is that all wrong? Where did you get your info from?

Peace


Edited by OneInchPunchMaster (03/14/06 01:29 PM)

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#234956 - 03/14/06 01:44 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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1"PM, Taison is from Thailand, lives and trains there, in the very arts that you are attempting to soundbite. They are part of his culture and history, and he has a keen interest in them. His posts on the topics have been cosistently informative and accurate- thats why he is the mod of this forum.
Since you have got your info off the net I presume you do not study MT/MB yourself, or you would have had an instructor to ask, not an online encyclopedia to read.

There was much 'fact' printed about chinese MA in the wake of Bruce Lee's movie stardom, most of it utter nonsense, and the same will happen as Jaa's popularity increases and MT proliferates even more in western culture.
Here in the UK we are fortunate in that McDojo culture has not hit our MT schools hard yet, and good no frills knowledgeable training is available in many places. Better to start there than wilkepedia.
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#234957 - 03/14/06 02:11 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Cord]
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I respect Taison or anyone else here. Ive read in other forums about MB and what i said to be relative, and this was by MT guys. I was never even sure what MB was until just a week ago. I also checked a Muay Thai dojo site, and checked the history of MB, they said the same thing. I guess after checking the MB dojo site, i got convinced that it was that.

Seems to me i got the info off a mcDojo site.

Anyway, Taison, I look forward to your description of MB; I'll hopefully learn something new about MA when you do


Edited by OneInchPunchMaster (03/14/06 02:16 PM)

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#234958 - 03/14/06 02:25 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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I, like you have heard lots of different stuff about the roots of MT (there is another art called Krabi Krabong that you didnt even mention, that has something to do with it as well, to what I know of). For some reason we in the west have been quick to oversimplify MT and its lineage based on our only exposure being 'sport' MT. We have known it as 'the mean one with the elbows' for years, yet it has as long and diverse an evolution as any cultures fighting arts. There are hundreds of years of evolution distilled into the ring art, and I look forward to gaining a better understanding of it through Taisons post (no pressure Mr T )
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#234959 - 03/15/06 06:18 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Cord]
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Quote:

I look forward to gaining a better understanding of it through Taisons post (no pressure Mr T )


Hahahaha, no pressure. Almost there. I thought about maybe this friday.

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#234960 - 03/15/06 07:32 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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ok, I will try to explain so you understand a little bit more.

Muay Boran is a vague term that means "ancient boxing". Now under this name there are Muay Lopburi, Chaiya, Korat, Kochasarn, and Nakorn. Well, these 5 share only 2 similarities they utilize the whole body and fight with bound fists.

Technique wise all 5 of them are different. Chaiya possesses a more lower center of gravity and favors machinegun like punching where as Muay Korat utilizes strength and many tackle like techniques. Muay Kochasarn doesn't even look like the rest of the group, the closest thing you could get to it would be judo or aikido.

Lopburi is the father to modern sport MT. It was trained much in Lopburi and Bangkok during the early 1900's when suddenly these boxers were introduced to Queensbury boxing from Thai soldiers who went to Europe during WWI. Many boxers adopted this queensbury guard and practiced it at the same time as they did Muay Lopburi and gave birth to Muay Thai.

The other arts were practiced quite a lot until the bound fist rule was dropped. Many coined for Muay Thai to be national sport as Muay Boran wasn't exciting and too brutal.

Today, you can still practice Muay Korat, Chaiya, Kochasarn [now a part of Lerdrit] and Muay Thai. The rest has been preserved but not practiced by many.

Here's another thing I don't like. Many say, Krabi-krabong is the system where MT originated from. Well, Muay Boran came before Krabi-krabong. MB dates back to the beginning of the Tai civilization living in China. Krabi-Krabong was developed during the Ayudhaya era. Many say the Sukhothai era but that system was called Ling-lom, which is working with sword and shield whereas Krabi-krabong is more towards dual swords, saber and staff[similar to bo]. Look, Krabi-krabong even utilizes the same foot-work as Muay Lopburi.

1"PM, MT is totally different from MB. The people you have talked to in other forums only have studied MT or Krabi Krabong, and they claim they know everything where you can see that MT and MB share little to no similarity except striking. I hate when foreigners come to Thailand, learn Krabi-Krabong and say they know Muay Boran when they haven't even learnt a thing about it.

Currently, there has been no foreigner that has learnt Muay Boran, nor has there ever been a "real" foreign MT champion as I have yet to see a foreigner fight in either the Lumpini or Ratchadamnoern and become champion there.

-Taison out
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#234961 - 03/15/06 02:04 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Ace!

Thanks for the info man .


Edited by OneInchPunchMaster (03/15/06 02:06 PM)

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#234962 - 03/23/06 03:40 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: OneInchPunchMaster]
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I think one of the problems with Martial art history is that people repeat what they have heard in the past as if it was gospel. Many stories I have seen are simply untrue or someones attempt to rewrite history.

Many books written have no relevence to the real history. There are many variants of the older Thai arts. The bareknuckle and armed systems while bearing resemblance to the ring sport are very different.

In the Near future look for a book to come out called the vanishing Flame by Vincent Giordano covering the anciant bareknuckle traditions of Thailand, Burma, Laos and Cambodia. Vincent has spent much time training with older masters and is himself an ajarn in Krabi Krabong.

Also an excellant research reference on martial arts is Martial Arts of the World an Encyclopedia by Thomas A. Green a noted Anthropologist. Studying the true history and cultural significanse of these arts.

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#234963 - 03/24/06 07:18 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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this question is to taison...ive read that you're from thailand so i feel it better to ask you this...ive trained in muay thai for awhile but only the sporting aspect, but when i watched a fight afew weeks ago, a thai fighter was using some rather 'flash moves', which the commentator said was part of traditional muay thai rather than the sport muay thai that we normally see today...anyways my question is in two parts..how do you feel about the progression of mauy thai to the sport that it is now, also is what the commentator said to be true, and if so do you feel that by not using the flash kicks in muay thai that it made it better or has it cheapened the purity of the art..thanks
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#234964 - 03/25/06 03:01 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: baby_bwoy]
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My feelings?

Well, to be honest, I still don't know why Thai coaches are holding away most of MT from foreigners. Why is it that when foreigners use MT, only a few get good while you take any Thai with a heart for this art, and after a year he becomes a fighting machine.

There is only one reason why Thai boxers are great while many foreigners never reach that state. Hunger, poverty, family. Most Thai boxers must win their matches, for one loss may mean that they will go hungry for days. They may not starve but still, they will go hungry. There's only one thing in mind when a Thai boxer goes into the ring. Money. Foreigners don't have this rule to their heart thus become just good. Some do become great but very few.

From an art to the sport? Well, I don't like the sport version of MT. Stupid rules, rounds, the ring, the gloves and restriction on technique. That's why I defected to San Shou style kickboxing. If someone knows how to throw, he shouldn't be penalized for it, now should he?

May be true. To be honest, most Thais learn the sport MT. Not by choice but due to poverty. Only a few people will ever learn the Traditional MT. I learnt both by choice.

What do you consider traditional? What is sport? There are two types of fighters in Muay Thai. Muay Kiew and Muay Lak[mainstream].

Muay Kiew are the flashy boxers who uses tricks and feints to lure out attacks so they may counter with devastating blows. They will do what you consider flashy and brutal. They will go far length to open your guard and then finish you off with a flashy move like a flying knee or "chorake fad hang".

Muay Lak are boxers who plays safe, the "wise" fighter who uses his head more than brute force, this type of boxer are the ones you see these days, not much style, plays everything safe without any flash.

Not using flashy kicks? I couldn't care if it was cheapening the purity of the art or not. MT has become more of a sport, not a martial art. I wouldn't be surprised if next year they banned elbows and knees and called it kickboxing. I don't like what MT has become although I study and still train in MT, I don't like the rules, the ring and all the equipment. If I was to decide, I'd say open area like TKD's, MMA gloves, no restriction on technique except groundwork. If you're able to do something, why should you be penalized for it. I mean, no "over-the-shoulder" throws. They are too afraid that MT may turn into wrestling but look at Lethwei, MT's sibling, they aren't having problem with their art turning into wrestling of some kind.

-Taison out
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#234965 - 02/20/07 12:23 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Any recommended videos on 'Yaw Yan'? I begin to be interested in it after reading it.
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#234966 - 02/20/07 12:30 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: FightingFeet]
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Don't know. My exposure to Yaw Yan is limited to a few videos and reading some art bashing that the founder decided was suitable in order to make his "art" seem more "lethal" when imo it's nothing special.

It's basically more or less, stick fighting without sticks and tae kwon do kicking. They're very random when it comes to attack, rushing in like a pull and just punch anything, be it air or opponent. Maybe in another few years, this art will be good. But now, it's still in the developing stage.

But that's imo. Not neccessarily true.

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#234967 - 05/10/07 04:12 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Cord]
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i got these from wikipedia. im surprised there not in here yet. you have some but not all
Adithada (Indian kickboxing) — A form of kickboxing that uses knee, elbow and forehead strikes
Lethwei (Burmese Kickboxing) — Traditional Burmese martial arts of which has now grown into a popular kickboxing event with strong emphasis on knee, elbow strikes and head strikes. Any part of the body may be used to strike and be struck, Bando kickboxing
Pradal Serey (Khmer kickboxing) — A possible predecessor of Muay Thai
Muay Thai (Thai boxing) — Traditional Thai martial art of which has now grown into a popular kickboxing event with strong emphasis on knee and elbow strikes
Japanese kickboxing — Similar to Muay Thai, but different point system is taken (e.g. K-1)
American kickboxing — Similar to Japanese kickboxing and Full contact karate, but different point system is taken
Full Contact Karate — Most of the time padding and in some cases body armor is used and is the applicable component of karate like many other styles which also include routines training.
Savate (French kickboxing) — Allows the use of shoes
Sanshou/Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) — The applicable component of wushu/kung fu of which Takedowns and throws are legal in competition as well as all other sorts of striking (use of arms and legs).
Shoot boxing — A Japanese form of kickboxing which allows throwing and submission while standing similar to San Shou
Yaw-Yan (Filipino Kickboxing) — Sayaw ng Kamatayan (Dance of Death) is the proper name for Yaw-Yan, a Filipino martial art developed by Napoleon Fernandez. The art resembles Muay Thai in a sense, but differs in the hip torquing motion as well as downward-cutting of its kicks.

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#234968 - 07/29/07 02:33 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: danny81]
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Thanks to watching Muay Thai and Lethwei matches, which piqued my curiousity as a child much more than boxing did, I've learned how valuable knees and elbows can be if used properly...
I love watching Muay Thai matches, but they feel a bit lacking as opposed to MMA nowadays... And MMA has recently become horrible. Hopefully Lethwei gains some popularity, and if so, doesn't turn in to MT or MMA

And rock on, Taison, some good stuff here.
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#234969 - 07/29/07 03:57 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: badeofblade]
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I'm rockin' alright, don't worry. Been rockin' since 1993.

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#234970 - 07/30/07 04:38 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: TwistingKick]
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Ashihara and Enshin Karate schools have another type of tournament besides many of them doing "traditional" knock down tournaments.

Both systems deal with an aspect of fighting that is called Sabaki, very short Sabaki deals with positioning and fight control. (Read the Ashikara Karate threads for more info).

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Since 1989 Enshin Karate has sponsored the Sabaki Challenge (officially called the Sabaki Challenge, World Open Tournament and often unofficially called the World Sabaki Challenge) in Denver. The Sabaki Challenge is a full-contact, knockdown-rules, single elimination tournament that fulfills Kancho Ninomiya's vision of a showcase of a "true," stand-up martial arts skills competition. The tournament is open to advanced male and female competitors of any style. The tournament competitors are usually divided up into (male) lightweight, middleweight, heavyweight, and female divisions.

The rules of the Sabaki Challenge favor and promote use of the sabaki method. Therefore, in addition to kicks, punches, and other strikes, grabs, sweeps, and throws are generally allowed. Points are awarded for putting one's opponent on the ground in a controlled manner. Hand and elbow strikes to the head and neck aren't permitted, but kicks are. Grabs are permitted to one side of the opponent's body for three seconds at a time. Since it is a full-contact tournament, knock-outs do sometimes occur.

In addition to the annual Sabaki Challenge in Denver, many satellite Enshin dojo sponsor local, sabaki-style tournaments. These tournaments follow the same rules as the main Sabaki Challenge and are open to competitors from other styles. They usually include the word "sabaki" in the tournament title. An example would be the Northeast (USA) Sabaki Regional sponsored by Enshin's New Jersey dojo.

Two Ashihara Karate organizations also sponsor tournaments that they title as sabaki challenges and follow rules similar to Enshin's sabaki tournaments. Ashihara Karate International sponsors an annual sabaki challenge in South Africa that, like Enshin's sabaki challenge, is open to competitors from other styles. The original Ashihara organization (New International Karate Organization (NIKO)- Ashihara Karate Kaikan) sponsors an annual tournament in Denmark called Sabaki Challenge Spirit. However, this tournament is only open to members of NIKO.

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#234971 - 08/25/07 03:58 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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3 May 2007 my first fight in Thailand at 44 yrs. old.

My feelings is Thai people are very friendly to foreigners, especially if they practice/ learn Muay Thai BUT the Thais have to see your HEART, you have to prove it to them and it takes a long time to truly give to you and they are not in any hurry.

One main part of Muay Thai is Saabaay Sabaay (RELAX!!), that must come from your HEART and most foreigners (ME) have RAGE in their Hearts. Muay Thai is the extreme in humbleness and peace in the spirit while in PAINFUL combat and to foreigners that is almost impossible. I have been trying to do it of over 15 years and maybe when I am 50 years old I might achieve the Thai Heart in Muay Thai.

Okay that is my Sermon for the day.

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#234972 - 08/25/07 04:29 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: docthai]
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Doc,

You're in good shape, for real. I envy you.

I don't have much time these days to get into shape and stuff. I'm being honest, I am fat =P

Yes, Thais are very friendly, but since olden age, they don't TRUST foreigners. Yes, it takes some time to prove to them.

The Thai heart. Heard of it, but it's a myth for me. Never really understood the whole thing about being peaceful while in combat. But then again, it's one of the reason I am where I am now; No where.

-Taison out
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#234973 - 08/26/07 01:50 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Taison, I am FAT, the Thais are always telling me how FAT I am and next week I am going to do some DETOXING and try to loose some weight. I am 80KG and I want to be under 75KG and I feel good down there. HEY, come to Thailand and get INSPIRED again.

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#234974 - 08/26/07 08:44 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: docthai]
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Err...

I am in Thailand.

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#234975 - 09/03/07 05:13 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Where in Thailand are you BRO??

E-mail me at docthailand@gmail.com

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#234976 - 09/03/07 05:34 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: docthai]
Taison Offline
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I'm in BKK.

I was in Pattaya yesterday, but got too heavily drunk.

-Taison out
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#234977 - 12/04/07 10:24 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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@ Taison
Last summer I read some stuff about Pradal Serey (Khemer boxing). As far as I know it's slightly different from modern muay thai. And rules they are fighting with during matches are slightly different from muay thai as well.
In one article I read that it is actually a predecessor of muay thai (although I really doubt about it).

If you know more about it, then please post it here.

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#234978 - 12/04/07 12:58 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: mad_dog]
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Taison u still owe me a beer when i come over to BKK!
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#234979 - 12/14/07 01:44 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Tom2199]
Taison Offline
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Tom, when you get to Thailand.

I'll buy you a pint of ale!

As for Pradal Serey, don't know much about it to be honest.

-Taison out
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#234980 - 12/16/07 10:39 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Link removed due to advertising. Learn about Khmer Martial arts there, the topic of Muay Thai and Pradal Serey are debatable.

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#234981 - 12/20/07 12:05 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Kaundinya]
Taison Offline
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Welcome in and start contributing. I have no idea about Pradal Serey so maybe some info here could help a bit.

-Taison out
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#234982 - 12/20/07 04:05 PM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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Pradal Serey as you may have already known is Khmer Kickboxing. It's name Kbach Kun Khmer, Sovanna Phum, Traditional Khmer Boxing or Brodal Serei depends on the translation. It is technically the same as Muay Thai and it was possibly influenced Muay Thai as well.
Wow..This forum has quite a lot of emotes.
heh cats.


Edited by Kaundinya (12/20/07 04:05 PM)

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#234983 - 09/17/08 02:12 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Taison]
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What about Mai Mae MT? A more traditional and less sport oriented version according to a friend of mine who has taught me a bit of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxB-wKox5iQ
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#234984 - 09/17/08 05:24 AM Re: Kickboxing Styles! [Re: Stormdragon]
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Mae Mai MT~

It means 'mother branch' of Muay Thai. All of the basic and standard techniques of Muay Thai, for example, roundhouse kicks, standard punches, etc etc.

Luk Mai MT~

Means the more advanced and subtle 'tricks' of MT. For example, spinning elbows, hanuman tawai waen, pra ram jieb longka (Rama steps on the earth), etc etc.

It's not a style in itself.

Plus, don't learn from a non-thai teacher. They don't know it either, like your friend there has no clue whatsoever.

Note that many Luk Mai doesn't work because of the standard MT guard used nowadays, which is totally different from the elongated guard used 60 years ago which made Luk Mai possible.

~Donnie
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