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#232663 - 02/24/06 07:41 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: BrianS]
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so guys, about casserole, do you mix the mayonaise in when the pasta is still hot? or do you wait till it cools down? lol

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The story goes that Naihanchi should have ended up in the Naha Camp of kata anyhow.......



thats a story I'd like to read. can you point me to it or open a new thread? thanks.

back to the topic...

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#232664 - 02/24/06 09:13 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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Ed,

Re casserole - it doesnt have pasta, and it doesnt have mayonaise, ever............

Re my Naihanchi comment and Naha Te I have been told/read this a numbe rof times and will try and locate the details and let you have them.
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#232665 - 02/24/06 09:53 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: shoshinkan]
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ummm...ok.
http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,168,157181-252207,00.html
http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,168,156170-244201,00.html
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actually, I'll just quote google:
"Results 1 - 10 of about 27,600 for casserole+mayonaise+pasta."

see? thats the problem with saying 'never' and 'never ever'.

lol

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#232666 - 02/24/06 10:04 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: Ed_Morris]
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How about we just cook Ed's noodle, smartasses.
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#232667 - 02/24/06 10:19 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: BrianS]
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Ed's noodle does 'maccarena':



Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena

Ehhhh, Macarena!



{should we role credits for the thread? is this how a thread ends?} lol

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#232668 - 02/24/06 11:31 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: BrianS]
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Some systems have trad flow drills/bunkia kumite 2 man sets, that explains each forms and gives a version of its application. In free flowing self defense scenarios in class you learn to apply these moves in a more informal setting against any attack thats you feel would be a natural/reflex countered to these attacks.

Makes for a starting point from dojo to real world appications. I hate to sound anicent usually theses applications are too potent to apply while free sparing, even in self defense mode. Maybe after a high level of control has been established.
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#232669 - 02/24/06 11:52 AM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: Neko456]
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I hate to sound anicent usually theses applications are too potent to apply while free sparing, even in self defense mode. Maybe after a high level of control has been established.




I agree. That's why I stated I'd hate to crush someone's larnyx,lol. The bunkai are supposed to end a fight before it starts,therefore most of it is theoretically lethal or maiming. How can we incorporate too much of that into freefighting?

Example: Pull inward and strike the throat with the forearm.
Shuto to the neck,even both sides,muey dangerous!
Groin kick followed by elbow under chin,etc..
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#232670 - 02/24/06 12:27 PM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: BrianS]
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I think that I cannot tell you the percentage, because everything depends on the situation, but what I can tell is that most of bunkai is a very good effective way of self-defense against opponents.
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#232671 - 02/24/06 01:43 PM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: shoshinkan]
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Well, according to Nagamine Naihanchi the three naihanchi kata of Matsubayashi are of a line independent of Itosu and the original Naihanchi practiced by karate men of Tomari. But lets look at Naihanchi shodan the oldest and probably the most unchanged Naihanchi across styles. Forward step punch principles are contained in Naihanchi. In a forward step punch you use either sinking or rising power to augment the strikes power. Naihanchi develops both. You learn to step and move using your hara. The front punch and the "hook" punch from naihanchi are more similar than you may think. The punch in Naihanchi teaches a more advanced way to apply principles of inside fighting to the previously mid range techniques learned in the fukyugatas and pinans. These principles are then expanded in the classic okinawan kata. In regard to the flying front kick or double front kick you have to look at the principles of the technique. Two simultaneous leg techniques designed to clear space, control distance, damage 2x with power hits to an opponent to over power them and create space in a crowd. These are just a few things but they are accomplished in naihanchi. In fact the first move is a step over followed with the naihanchi kick/stomp contains this principle. The step over is a leg technique such as a knee or shin strike. The following naihanchi stomp/kick is the second technique that can have various application, but the double leg technique priciple is there and can be applied in the same way. The chinto/kusanku manifestation is a more advance method of execution and application and are these principles unfolded. In naihanchi they are hidden. Although I personally don't believe Passai's main purpose is to cover ground closing the gap to engage in a clinch range and use inside fighting techniques are contained in Naihanchi.

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#232672 - 02/24/06 04:40 PM Re: Bunkai sparring? [Re: medulanet]
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Medulanet,

Lets just agree to disagree on this, its obvious that you are either much further along the karate road than me or have a much more active imagination.

I respectfully disagree with some of your interpretations of the Naiahnchi key lessons.

lets let the thread develop along other areas of discussion, or we are just going to play ping pong!
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